Sailor Moon Tier 1 Upgrade (Reformatted)

[Deagonx]

You'd need evidence that the dimensions are being treated as higher infinities, i.e. that 4-D beings are infinitely greater than 3-D beings in power. An additional spatial axis is not, unto itself, evidence of a higher tier.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Again, hyperdimensional does not mean the space is on a level reaching Tier 1

According to the wiki standards, 4 dimensional space plus time is R^5 which is tier 1.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

You'd need evidence that the dimensions are being treated as higher infinities, i.e. that 4-D beings are infinitely greater than 3-D beings in power. An additional spatial axis is not, unto itself, evidence of a higher tier.

Yes it is. R^5 is considered a higher infinity than R^4 on this wiki. That is current standards. You are moving the goal posts.

 

[Deagonx]

Yes it is. R^5 is considered a higher infinity than R^4 on this wiki. That is current standards. You are moving the goal posts.

No, I'm not, and no, it isn't.

The verse has to be shown to treat it as a higher infinity. It isn't the default assumption.

 

[Lonkitt]

According to the wiki standards, 4 dimensional space plus time is R^5 which is tier 1.

Again...you're using the word "hyperdimensional" and claiming its proof that it makes dimensional space Tier 1. That isn't how things function here

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

No, I'm not, and no, it isn't.

The verse has to be shown to treat it as a higher infinity. It isn't the default assumption.

Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

Characters or objects that can significantly affect spaces of qualitatively greater sizes than ordinary universal models and spaces, usually represented in fiction by higher levels or states of existence (Or "levels of infinity", as referred below) which trivialize everything below them into insignificance, normally by perceiving them as akin to fictional constructs or something infinitesimal.

A 5D space is qualitatively greater size than the standard 4D space due to the extra coordinate space. This our standards.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mathematically speaking, a super dimensional anything cannot fit inside 3D space, so there must be at least 4D space on some level within the verse to accommodate.

This is not the case, and is actually contradicted by mathematics. Compactification theory suggests higher-dimensional structures can be placed inside smaller ones, and it’s a theory that’s utilized on site, Fate’s 6D Avalon being sealed in the Earth is proof of that.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Again...you're using the word "hyperdimensional" and claiming its proof that it makes dimensional space Tier 1. That isn't how things function here

I am sorry, do words just stop having meanings?

 

[Deagonx]

Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

Characters or objects that can significantly affect spaces of qualitatively greater sizes than ordinary universal models and spaces, usually represented in fiction by higher levels or states of existence (Or "levels of infinity", as referred below) which trivialize everything below them into insignificance, normally by perceiving them as akin to fictional constructs or something infinitesimal.

"Higher levels of infinity"
"Qualitatively greater sizes."

A spatial axis is not that by default. It must be shown to be the case in the verse.

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely stronger than lower-dimensional equivalents?
Unintuitive as that may be: Not necessarily, as a number of characteristics through which we quantify the strength or power of a character can remain unchanged when transitioning between higher and lower dimensions.

 

[KingNanaya]

Then I provided a definition of hyperdimensional that specifically states that it refers to space that is more than 3 dimensions.

not only could I not find that definition, all of the ones I did find said 2 or 3 and above

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

This is not the case, and is actually contradicted by mathematics. Compactification theory suggests higher-dimensional structures can be placed inside smaller ones, and it’s a theory that’s utilized on site, Fate’s 6D Avalon being sealed in the Earth is proof of that.

So prove that Sailor Moon’s higher dimension is compacted and that Sailor Mercury shrunk everyone to subatomic sizes to fit them inside the compacted dimension.

while also ignoring the evidence I have shown of the corridor being bigger than both the infinite time and space of the multiple universes.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

not only could I not find that definition, all of the ones I did find said 2 or 3 and above

I literally posted the link above.

Definition of HYPERDIMENSIONAL

of or relating to space of more than three dimensions… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

hyperdimensional - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.m.wiktionary.org

Can you post what you found?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So prove that Sailor Moon’s higher dimension is compacted and that Sailor Mercury shrunk everyone to subatomic sizes to fit them inside the compacted dimension.

while also ignoring the evidence I have shown of the corridor being bigger than both the infinite time and space of the multiple universes.

I’m don’t have prove anything, I made I claim that I already proved, and utilized on the site. You made the assertion that a higher-dimensional space cannot be within a one, which inexorably implies a 4D space, with one dimension of time.

In that vein, I didn’t ignore the evidence, because your argument is contingent on this point.

 

[Deagonx]

It also doesn't matter because you have to prove qualitative superiority for an additional dimension to be used for tiering.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

"Higher levels of infinity"
"Qualitatively greater sizes."

A spatial axis is not that by default. It must be shown to be the case in the verse.

It literally is. Spatial axises are the Real line number system. Hence the R in R^n. An additional spatial axis ontop of R^5 would be R^5.

Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely stronger than lower-dimensional equivalents?
Unintuitive as that may be: Not necessarily, as a number of characteristics through which we quantify the strength or power of a character can remain unchanged when transitioning between higher and lower dimensions.

This is irrelevant because I am talking about higher dimensional spaces not beings.

 

[Deagonx]

This is irrelevant because I am talking about higher dimensional spaces not beings.

A being has to scale to it for it to be used for a tier.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I’m don’t have prove anything, I made I claim that I already proved, and utilized on the site. You made the assertion that a higher-dimensional space cannot be within a one, which inexorably implies a 4D space, with one dimension of time.

Lmao. Yeah, a hgher dimension space can only exist in a lower dimensional one if it is compacted. You would need to prove the higher dimensions in sailor moon are compacted for your point to stand.

un compacted higher dimensions cannot exist in lower ones.

 

[Planck69]

We really gotta stop "dictionary scaling" on this site.

It doesn't matter what word they're called. Hyperdimensions, superdimensions, maximum over-dimensions etc. Nothing in the context of the above evidence suggests they're infinitely large in any capacity, which is what is needed for upgrades to Tier 1.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

A being has to scale to it for it to be used for a tier.

And the God tiers of Sailor Moon do.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

We really gotta stop "dictionary scaling" on this site.

It doesn't matter what word they're called. Hyperdimensions, superdimensions, maximum over-dimensions etc. Nothing in the context of the above evidence suggests they're infinitely large in any capacity, which is what is needed for upgrades to Tier 1.

Again! R^5 is considered a larger infinity than R^4 on this wiki.

 

[Deagonx]

And the God tiers of Sailor Moon do.

Okay, so then you need to demonstrate qualitative superiority.

 

[Deagonx]

Again! R^5 is considered a larger infinity than R^4 on this wiki.

No it isn't. Not without explicit evidence of qualitative superiority.

Okay, we have four staff disagrees and OPs shtick of "repeating themselves constantly and not listening to anything anyone else says" has gotten old. Locking this now.