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RWBY Storm revision.

I just rewatched it no such mention exist within the video weekly linked so.... I repeat my question why are we trying to use an offscreen feat that occams razor dictates would mirror ravens feat? The feat we're having so many problems with...
 
The calc assumes the energy needed to make the clouds that instabile I'm pretty sure. Here the clouds wer up and created, moved a little, and then disappeared. No rain, lightning, or manipulation of already existing clouds was going on.
 
Yeah, but Ozpin's storms pretty explicitly had violent weather conditions. Raven's had some extra wind.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Yeah, but Ozpin's storms pretty explicitly had violent weather conditions. Raven's had none.
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...Yes it did? It was a mass of gray clouds moving in a spiral with violent winds, it absolutely fits "violent weather".
 
swirling mass of grey clouds moving in a spiral fits my definition of unusually violent weather...Regardless of winds... Worth noting ozpins feat doesn't mention winds or anything of the sorts, it literally says unusually violent weather, thats all we got, and it was made with the same energy, we have zero reasons to assume ozpins feat would differ from ravens.

As Ive said before
 
As a person who lives in the East Coast, winds that are the magnitude of Ravens storm easily fit violent.
 
We know literally nothing about that Ozpin's so called storm feat other than Unusually violent weather conditions. I mean what does violent weather conditions mean? It's too subjective imo.

Does anyone has any proof that Ozpin who is created that violent weather conditions and with his own powers (Imo, he go to the Vacuo with 3 relics)?
 
I mean, I think it's fine to assume he did what Raven did, but it's still not really tthat calcable.
 
I mean is there any proof that he did himself and with his powers but not by any relic? There are too many question for that feat to be usable at all.
 
So... is there anything else left to scale them to? No-one answered my point about them visibly having a prolonged fight in the castle before it falls apart and no-one answered that, so I'm guessing that is unusable too.
 
So ozpin and ravens storms are unuasble thus we are back to trying to calc the next best feat, the metorite is unusable due to cut to black and regen, they destroyed there castle over time and the shaking of the cave calc looks suspicious...
 
Raven's storm is unusable because there's no good way to get KE, right?

We still have the volume, we can apply CAPE. It'll be lower but still valid.

969282223805.3 Kilograms times... Hmm... It's not nearly that bad, some winds and it stops there, so maybe like, times 1,000 for weak is 9.69282223805E14 Joules, 231.66401142574 Kilotons, Large Town level

For condensation, it would be 966383074.58156 Kilograms times 2264705, which is 2.18857258092E15 joules, 523.08140079355 Kilotons, Large Town level

But I don't think I can go higher without iffy Cape ratings, so take or leave
 
Wouldn't condensation not work due to magic creation sheningans?

Regardless, that's a proper rating then.
 
Re-watched the fight and castle feat isn't usable too. It was over time and they just destroyed the walls, and from how the castle and the tower is leaning like the Leaning Tower of Pisa after the fight it seems they destroyed the supports of the castle and nearly all castle seems intact after the fight. The Great War storms no visuals or description on them, no timeframe and there is literally no info about it.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Wouldn't condensation not work due to magic creation sheningans?

Regardless, that's a proper rating then.
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Even if via magic, its still generating an amount of water bt manipulating the weather, nkt entirely sure what you're on about
 
I think condensation works if you take water that is already there, not creating it out of thin air. But that might just be my misconception.
 
We treat them as one in the same either way
 
So low 7-B for Salem and Ozpin... for now (I am 99% sure that the Maidens weren't just pulled out of Ozpin's ass when he and Salem had 4 feamle children, with the show pulling our attention to the fact that they can use magic, with them being the children of an immortal and a guy who resurrects as someone else whenever killed)
 
So is the standard assumption for 20 km still valid? DMUA brought it up earlier in the thread so I figured it would be still.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
So is the standard assumption for 20 km still valid? DMUA brought it up earlier in the thread so I figured it would be still.
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With the storm being this artificual I don't think it would be assumed.
 
The problem is the horizon is blocked

You could possibly argue that since the clouds go way beyond the horizon, to the point we use visibility instead of actual methods to calculate the horizon, it could still use 20 KM, but I'd check using the stuff Ugarik brought up way, way way back when, which is

Distance = sqrt((Earth's Radius+Cloud Height)^2-(Earth's Radius)^2)+sqrt((Earth's Radius+Observer height)^2-(Earth's Radius)^2)

in this case, running through it at the speed of very fast since it's not important unless we get lower than 20 KM,

sqrt((6371000+2,000)^2-(6371000)^2)+sqrt((6371000+1.78)^2-(6371000)^2) is 164412.048833 meters, 164.412048833 KM, as I kinda expected, way higher than the visibility cap of 20 KM
 
yes

that's height, I'm talking radius
 
DMUA said:
yes
that's height, I'm talking radius
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Huh, maybe I'll try that next time. Wonder why few people use it?

You said Distance = sqrt((Earth's Radius+Cloud Height)^2-(Earth's Radius)^2)+sqrt((Earth's Radius+Observer height)^2-(Earth's Radius)^2)

Your formula was sqrt((6371000+2,000)^2-(6371000)^2)+sqrt((6371000+1.78)^2-(6371000)^2)

I assumed 2000 was the cloud height.
 
that's the height above the ground
 
164412.048833^2 x pi x 8000 x 1 g = 6.79371216e11 kg

6.79371216e11 x 2264705 = 1.53857539e18 joules which comes out to 367.728344 megatons

367.728344 x 4 = 1.47091338 megatons

So the high tiers range from 7-A to High 7-A
 
Well, you can't really use that.

I was just proving we could use the visibility cap of 20 KM, which would fall under standard storm calculations despite the horizon being obscured. It by far wouldn't apply the full 164 KM value
 
So ugh, yeah

Dunno if we should use the 500 Kilotons or the 5.4 something Megatons, but either way it shouldn't be nearly low enough for me to further be connipted by that one earthquake calc
 
High 7-C Maidens with Low 7-B Salem and prime Ozpin? That's basically the same tiers that Salem and prime Ozpin previously got before all these storm revisions. ^_^;
 
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