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I believe the points here have been made clear. This is an HR matter like any other that has long been given the necessary clarifications by now. So, I will delete any further comments drawing out the issue.
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Well, I extremely strongly doubt that AKM is even aware of these characters originally being depicted as minors, but rather just accidentally found a drawing that he liked, and again, they are drawn as being fully adult here, which is not remotely paedophilia per definition, so I think that those who have referred to him in these types of disparaging terms owe him apologies.I will note that I never said he is a pedo. What I have issue with, and what I brought up to HR, is that the characters are minors. Whether you draw them as an adult or not doesn't change the fact that they are a minor and you shouldn't do that or endorse it in any way. It is simply wrong of AKM to have that kind of banner.
Then there's the issue with the fact that there's absolutely no need to show everyone bare anime ass. Pretty much everyone else has normal pfps and banners in here and yet AKM feels the need to show everyone en mass half naked anime women (or basically partially nude with the banner) in their pfp, banner and signature. Why? Nobody likes it, several staff members dislike it, it feels weird. If it was just the pfp I wouldn't care as much but this is like if I went to the head office and the head manager there had posters of partially nude women plastered all over his office and on his shirt.
Okay. I will shut up now then. I just wanted to defend AKM from extremely exaggerated slander.I believe the points here have been made clear. This is an HR matter like any other that has long been given the necessary clarifications by now. So, I will delete any further comments drawing out the issue.
The fact he felt the need to say it in another language already paints it as him knowing it's kinda an outta pocket line. Knowing a bit of KLOL personal situation (as we talk on discord from time to time), it's certainly insensitive. However, I don't doubt Shion said it out of pure ignorance.I know you're all busy but I think this is reportable.
While I was talking about a few verses on my message wall with @ShionAH , when he said that he would open downgrades about the verse I support and that I would said i will defend it, he said to me in Turkish, "Be careful, later you will have to run away like KLOL." (This is what it means when you translate the sentence)
First of all, I want to clarify something, KLOL had to step away from the wiki for personal reasons, but I don't know how ethical and acceptable it is to make fun of this "condescending attitude" and trash talk about a personal issue. I thought this was something that could be reported, I'll leave it up to you to decide.
That part I can agree being more damming, yes. Specially since he has done things like that in the past (a while back going on a tirade on Don'tTalk's wall)this is just blatantly taunting about the GoW downgrades
I realize there is such an attitude towards GoW, but it's really okay. What he did is not ethical, it is a direct sarcastic and condescending approach towards the person.I think it's reportable, because on top of that, this is just blatantly taunting about the GoW downgrades
Btw, I didn't even make fun of you... I continued to talk normally, even tried to talk humorously, but you kept insulting me, said I had no capacity, and then said I would run away like KLOLIf you keep taunting me with downgrades and other stuff, you cannot really get mad when I do it to you lol
I seriously thought Klol left due to GoW though. I said it in Turkish since Geor started talking Turkish.
This I think?I'm also not in the loop regarding KLOL's retirement, although his messages publicly on the matter would seem to lead to Shion's assumptions. Regardless.
Taunting in this way isn't great even without hidden background details. Shion's claiming that Georr pulled something similar, can you substantiate that @ShionAH?
Some of the Turkish conversations I made are funny humor that makes Turks laugh, I tried to approach him like that but he kept doing it, he said I didn't have the capacity and didn't stop, he said I would run away like KLOLI'm also not in the loop regarding KLOL's retirement, although his messages publicly on the matter would seem to lead to Shion's assumptions. Regardless.
Taunting in this way isn't great even without hidden background details. Shion's claiming that Georr pulled something similar, can you substantiate that @ShionAH?
I told Shion about the downgrades I planned here. Apart from GoW thread, I was already planning to do it, I even made a few of them.
you were literally saying you are gonna bomb all my verses just to take some kind of “revenge”Btw, I didn't even make fun of you...
Here are some I remember at the top of ky head, he also said couple of times how he will target my verses sometimes implying he could “easily” take care of them. Like you dont have to announce how you will “nuke” a verse 3 times in one CRT lmaooTaunting in this way isn't great even without hidden background details. Shion's claiming that Georr pulled something similar, can you substantiate that @ShionAH?
The problem is, these downgrades were all downgrades that I usually planned before you downgrade GoW, even including Ben10 (one aspect that wasn't your deck)you were literally saying you are gonna bomb all my verses just to take some kind of “revenge”
Here are some I remember at the top of ky head, he also said couple of times how he will target my verses sometimes implying he could “easily” downgrade them
- Threatining to nuke my verses for “revenge” and trying to play it as a joke
- Specifically putting my verses on his “hit list”
- Calling me a clown for 5D even though my reply was literally a friendly “I am happy to happy your concerns”
And more, I was genuinly annoyed by his behaviour so I shot back.
I really didn't do this... I mean, before he attacked GoW, I already had verses that I planned to downgrade, there were even verses that he was not a supporter of, after he made these downgrades, he said "don't talk to me" and after attacked GoW. I quoted the revision above, you can see who is right by looking at the opening dateI think that you should have reported that behaviour here instead of attacking him back in return.
I literrally told you I was gonna downgrade the verse myself, since I realized my upgrade was wrong. I then told you I was on a vacation and that I would handle it, yet you still opened it just to piss me off. This instance is way too personal for RvR and the forum, nor does it actually support anyones argument.Dude, you were the one who said here "don't talk to me again" just because I downgraded this, and after that you started downgrading GoW.
You literally went under my GoW downgrade and told me to work on my verses since you will take revenge."you downgraded my verse, I'll downgrade yours"
To annoy? When? Shion, I'm sorry but I already unlocked these downgrades before you attacked GoW, you'll understand if you look at the chronological order, and then you said you would join Fuji.I literrally told you I was gonna downgrade the verse myself, since I realized my upgrade was wrong. I then told you I was on a vacation and that I would handle it, yet you still opened it just to piss me off. This instance is way too personal for RvR and the forum, nor does it actually support anyones argument.
It was a crossed out comment and I said this later;You literally went under my GoW downgrade and told me to work on my verses since you will take revenge.
Yes, that's exactly it. Because I had no problems until this commentThe downgrade debacle is honestly minor all things considered. The core of the matter is that it shouldn't have gone to the point of one following the other onto their page to taunt about it but it shouldn't need to be discussed back-and-forth this much. Especially considering Geor at this point is taking issue with the KLOL comment rather than that.
It's hard to take the KLOL comment as more severe if a normal user doesn't possess the knowledge of why that would actually be bad. Shion shouldn't have made the comments and Georr shouldn't have tried to make it into this situation, but they both did it.The downgrade debacle is honestly minor all things considered. The core of the matter is that it shouldn't have gone to the point of one following the other onto their page to taunt about it but it shouldn't need to be discussed back-and-forth this much. Especially considering Geor at this point is taking issue with the KLOL comment rather than that.
As I said, I would try to communicate with him in a humorous way, maybe I can get a warning, but I don't think the KLOL comment is very ethical or understandable. A personal topic is deeperIt's hard to take the KLOL comment as more severe if a normal user doesn't possess the knowledge of why that would actually be bad. Shion shouldn't have made the comments and Georr shouldn't have tried to make it into this situation, but they both did it.
I would accept either no punishment or a warning to both parties. This sort of schoolyard bullying back-and-forth doesn't benefit anyone. Both have had similar cases of bad behavior in the reasonably recent past, to my recollection, as well.
If you look at the chronological order, I'm not the one who started this. I was opening downgrades regardless of everything, some of them are verses that Shion supports, some of them are not.I don't think either of you acted out of friendly banter. Both of you were being decidedly Mean. And, to Shion's credit, it does appear you started it. Both of you have broken the rules in equal measure, from my perspective, and I'd be satisfied with either no warnings on the basis that this was a fairly minor issue, or both of you receive one.
about that i forgot to change my pass last time when my ban was liftedI'll go ahead and tag @Tempestdragon6 since he's been active twice since the report was made, and either (1) chose not to say anything or (2) didn't see the report. Hopefully the latter.
The evidence presented is largely circumstantial, but is heavily corroborated with other pieces of evidence, and most importantly, Jozay's usual shennanigans.
I'll also tag @Antvasima to see if there's anything unusal with the IPs?
I am fine with this as well.I don't think this is worth a formal warning either but both users should just be told not to repeat this.
Can I get confirmation as to if I got a formal warning from that incident? It was my interpretation that I did but I’d like to make sure if that’s ok.Oop,
I neglected to add Ryzen to the warning tracker after an earlier incident, but myself and DDM supported a formal warning. See here. That was the first time, I gave a formal warning since becoming a thread mod, so I forgot to add it to the tracker — my apologies— it won’t happen again
hopefully replying won't be a problem.