Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Digital_Franz]

Everyone who evolves into SL obtains an ultimate skill but true dragons by their nature are SL and do not necessarily have an ultimate skill but a true dragon is not necessarily a DL.

 

[CielTempest2]

Everyone who evolves into SL obtains an ultimate skill but true dragons by their nature are SL and do not necessarily have an ultimate skill but a true dragon is not necessarily a DL.

No, that's not how it works, SL are natural forces, you can't evolve to be one unless you either are one or have affinity for it
Highest is, you become a semi SL
True dragons are ultimate already because of them being overly special

 

[Digital_Franz]

No, that's not how it works, SL are natural forces, you can't evolve to be one unless you either are one or have affinity for it
Highest is, you become a semi SL
True dragons are ultimate already because of them being overly special

I don't look at the requirements or anything else. What I'm saying is that from what was shown in the LN those who evolved into SLs gained ultimate skill.

 

[Digital_Franz]

And it wasn't mentioned that true dragons are DL from the start.

 

[CielTempest2]

I don't look at the requirements or anything else. What I'm saying is that from what was shown in the LN those who evolved into SLs gained ultimate skill.

All ultimates are SL's but not all SL's are ultimates

And it wasn't mentioned that true dragons are DL from the start.

Didn't say there were

 

[Digital_Franz]

All ultimates are SL's but not all SL's are ultimates

That's what I said.

Didn't say there were

So it would be better to wait for the OTL of the other volumes to give him immeasurable speed.

 

[CielTempest2]

That's what I said.

So it would be better to wait for the OTL of the other volumes to give him immeasurable speed.

i honestly don't care about speed, i want mid tiers to be planet level in at the least

 

[CielTempest2]

@Mizuki67
They said you were working on it, what happened?

 

[Digital_Franz]

i honestly don't care about speed, i want mid tiers to be planet level in at the least

Here is the blog in question:

Planet Level Slime?

vsbattles.fandom.com

We are just waiting for the evaluation of the calc group

 

[Mizuki67]

Here is the blog in question:

Planet Level Slime?

vsbattles.fandom.com

We are just waiting for the evaluation of the calc group

I am not free so I ask you guys to get it evaluated instead

I have already closed the crt so, it is up to you to open the thread again

 

[Digital_Franz]

I am not free so I ask you guys to get it evaluated instead

I have already closed the crt so, it is up to you to open the thread again

OK. I will try to have the calc evaluated.

 

[CielTempest2]

Here is the blog in question:

Planet Level Slime?

vsbattles.fandom.com

We are just waiting for the evaluation of the calc group

Its kinda clear no one wants to deal with this, so rather than beating around the bush, why not be straight forward and have an actual thread with direct implications of using the planet energy force

 

[Digital_Franz]

Its kinda clear no one wants to deal with this, so rather than beating around the bush, why not be straight forward and have an actual thread with direct implications of using the planet energy force

This will not be possible. Using the energy of the planet does not mean that you obtain Planet level. Calcs will still need to be evaluated.

 

[CielTempest2]

This will not be possible. Using the energy of the planet does not mean that you obtain Planet level. Calcs will still need to be evaluated.

But bro read the scans i sent didn't you?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Especially since it depends on what type of energy we are talking about. If it is the KE then using all the energy of the planet should normally stop all movement of it.

 

[Digital_Franz]

But bro read the scans i sent didn't you?

I read it. And I pretty much explained why in my previous comment.

 

[CielTempest2]

I read it. And I pretty much explained why in my previous comment.

I'll give you one month, you will absolutely not find any help, that blog is 2 months old and no one even manage to evaluate it, i have a green flag for planet level and you're saying all sorts of things, fine, go do your thing and I'll do mine, just need two admins verification on this and we good

 

[Digital_Franz]

I'll give you one month, you will absolutely not find any help, that blog is 2 months old and no one even manage to evaluate it, i have a green flag for planet level and you're saying all sorts of things, fine, go do your thing and I'll do mine, just need two admins verification on this and we good

Well you can do whatever you want. But can you just tell me what energy Midley absorbed? If it's just the planet's mana for you is it worth the Planet level?

 

[CielTempest2]

Well you can do whatever you want. But can you just tell me what energy Midley absorbed? If it's just the planet's mana for you is it worth the Planet level?

This is the whole context, this is clearly planet level
And I'll open a CRT later
Although i honestly need to reshape tensura, they are alot of things i do not agree on like magic and SPL CM1, Acausality type 4 for true dragons, information manipulation for everyone...and then maybe small other things like such

 

[Digital_Franz]

This is the whole context, this is clearly planet level

I don't see the evidence of the Planet level in this.

And I'll open a CRT later
Although i honestly need to reshape tensura, they are alot of things i do not agree on like magic and SPL CM1, Acausality type 4 for true dragons, information manipulation for everyone...and then maybe small other things like such

Good luck.

 

[CielTempest2]

I don't see the evidence of the Planet level in this.

Good luck.

Honestly, your POV need checkup
But I'll open my CRT later or never
Hopefully later

 

[CodeCCLL]

Acausality type 4 for true dragons

True Dragons is a textbook acausality type 4 example.

 

[Digital_Franz]

True Dragons is a textbook acausality type 4 example.

I wanted to watch to see what he/she was going to say about it. Perhaps being above the laws of the world for him/her does not justify Acausality Type 4.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I wanted to watch to see what he was going to say about it. Perhaps being above the laws of the world for him does not justify Acausality Type 4.

According to our definition of acausality type 4 in the wiki, this is acausality type 4, unless the standards change. It is not a subjective case.

 

[Digital_Franz]

According to our definition of acausality type 4 in the wiki, this is acausality type 4, unless the standards change. It is not a subjective case.

Even regarding magic and SL I really want to see his/her arguments.

 

[CielTempest2]

True Dragons is a textbook acausality type 4 example.

Sorry i meant ultimate skills
Not all gets it you know

 

[CielTempest2]

Even regarding magic and SL I really want to see his/her arguments.

"His or her argument"
What sort of wording is that in CM1, it looks so flawed

 

[CielTempest2]

Ultimate skills are like branching their acausality type 4 off from true dragons
And its not really true for all ultimate skills
Like those ultimate gifts are not really ultimate skills on the level of a true dragon

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This is the whole context, this is clearly planet level

This still doesn't seem to be planetary. He's accumulating the planet's energy in his fist or body, but there's nothing implying he took ALL of the planet's energy, it can just be a part of it

And I'll open a CRT later
Although i honestly need to reshape tensura, they are alot of things i do not agree on like

Before making any CRT, I advice you discuss it here, or maybe even in the tensura scaling sever on discord, to avoid misunderstandings and derailing.

magic and SPL CM1,

They have enough arguments for CM1, care to elaborate?

Acausality type 4 for true dragons,

Their Aca4 is simple textbook definition. Being unbounded by the laws of the world[the laws of the world include the law of causality] and thus unaffected by any attacks that are not of the Ultimate level, including things like unique skills that have hax like causality and fate manipulation.

information manipulation for everyone...

It depends on the type, if its type 1, that's pretty simple with Magic sense, I don't see any problem with that, even if its Type 2, Magic can harm Spiritual lifeforms that exist in Spirit-ual form, where "Spirit" is made of information

 

[Digital_Franz]

"His or her argument"

I expected a lot of arguments.

What sort of wording is that in CM1, it looks so flawed

Good luck. Otherwise a thread was made to redo the justification and it seems that it will be accepted.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Ultimate skills are like branching their acausality type 4 off from true dragons
And its not really true for all ultimate skills
Like those ultimate gifts are not really ultimate skills on the level of a true dragon

There are explicit statements that Ultimate skills can harm True Dragons, where a True Dragon[even without an ultimate itself] is an Ultimate existence

For the last part I'm not sure, however

 

[Digital_Franz]

This still doesn't seem to be planetary. He's accumulating the planet's energy in his fist or body, but there's nothing implying he took ALL of the planet's energy, it can just be a part of it


Before making any CRT, I advice you discuss it here, or maybe even in the tensura scaling sever on discord, to avoid misunderstandings and derailing.

They have enough arguments for CM1, care to elaborate?

Their Aca4 is simple textbook definition. Being unbounded by the laws of the world[the laws of the world include the law of causality] and thus unaffected by any attacks that are not of the Ultimate level, including things like unique skills that have hax like causality and fate manipulation.

It depends on the type, if its type 1, that's pretty simple with Magic sense, I don't see any problem with that, even if its Type 2, Magic can harm Spiritual lifeforms that exist in Spirit-ual form, where "Spirit" is made of information

Thanks for the help

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

"His or her argument"
What sort of wording is that in CM1, it looks so flawed

would you care to elaborate what part of it is flawed?
[sorry if this sounds rude, tho]

Thanks for the help

np mate

 

[Mizuki67]

This is the whole context, this is clearly planet level
And I'll open a CRT later
Although i honestly need to reshape tensura, they are alot of things i do not agree on like magic and SPL CM1, Acausality type 4 for true dragons, information manipulation for everyone...and then maybe small other things like such

I will not allow u to do it unless you discuss it with us

 

[Digital_Franz]

This still doesn't seem to be planetary. He's accumulating the planet's energy in his fist or body, but there's nothing implying he took ALL of the planet's energy, it can just be a part of it

Even if he takes all the energy from the planet it could just be mana which should increase his stamina.

 

[CielTempest2]

This still doesn't seem to be planetary. He's accumulating the planet's energy in his fist or body, but there's nothing implying he took ALL of the planet's energy, it can just be a part of it

An accurate argument, but it mentions it is more powerful than Lil old planet level drago buster by milim

I will not allow u to do it unless you discuss it with us

Make sense, except we all here make threads without ever talking about, i monitor most of the threads going on in wiki right about from the time, me and 70% of my friends group from Instagram and i tell you, this place is the opposite of "working together", because i see threads made without anyone actually approving of it, all of us had to agree i make an account to revamp the chaotic state of the verse

would you care to elaborate what part of it is flawed?
[sorry if this sounds rude, tho]

Like 80% of it
There was a thread you made @Mizuki67 to clear it up but you abandoned it, why?
Cuz clearly i actually see your arguments being valid so @Astral_Trinity439 lets just said my reason for it being flawed is same as mizuki

There are explicit statements that Ultimate skills can harm True Dragons, where a True Dragon[even without an ultimate itself] is an Ultimate existence

For the last part I'm not sure, however

Ultimate skills can but clearly not all
You know primordial magic is on the level of an ultimate?, yeah?, but carrera magic didn't even dent an absolutely holding back and weakened velgrynd because that attack was bound by the laws of the world

 

[Digital_Franz]

An accurate argument, but it mentions it is more powerful than Lil old planet level drago buster by milim

This has never been said at planetary level. First when she launched it against Carrion she just destroyed his capital. Moreover, when fighting against Zelanus, she held back because of the use of stardust.

Make sense, except we all here make threads without ever talking about, i monitor most of the threads going on in wiki right about from the time, me and 70% of my friends group from Instagram and i tell you, this place is the opposite of "working together", because i see threads made without anyone actually approving of it, all of us had to agree i make an account to revamp the chaotic state of the verse

The verse is in a chaotic state?

Ultimate skills can but clearly not all
You know primordial magic is on the level of an ultimate?, yeah?, but carrera magic didn't even dent an absolutely holding back and weakened velgrynd because that attack was bound by the laws of the world

Then didn't she manage to affect Velgrynd without the ultimate skill?

 

[CielTempest2]

This has never been said at planetary level. First when she launched it against Carrion she just destroyed his capital. Moreover, when fighting against Zelanus, she held back because of the use of stardust.

The verse is in a chaotic state?

Then didn't she manage to affect Velgrynd without the ultimate skill?

I can leave it how it is, or leave the planet level thing alone, but nothing will be done

 

[Digital_Franz]

I can leave it how it is, or leave the planet level thing alone, but nothing will be done

No one is asking you to leave but instead of opening a thread let's discuss it first.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

An accurate argument, but it mentions it is more powerful than Lil old planet level drago buster by milim

We don't have a profile for Milim rn, but would you mind telling me when or where Drago buster was accepted as planetary?

Make sense, except we all here make threads without ever talking about, i monitor most of the threads going on in wiki right about from the time, me and 70% of my friends group from Instagram and i tell you, this place is the opposite of "working together", because i see threads made without anyone actually approving of it, all of us had to agree i make an account to revamp the chaotic state of the verse

Ciel, its not always a necessity that we have to talk on forum only. There's discord for that, too, just like how you supposedly have Instagram.
Also, I'm pretty sure you are even in the scaling server by the name "testarossa", so why are you even brining up this?
I'm feeling like this is not her but a certain someone else, especially with the choice of wording from you, but I'll stay quiet about that for now....
Also, what do you mean by "chaotic state of the verse", the verse is completely fine

Like 80% of it

I asked which part of it is flawed, not how much percentage of it is flawed

There was a thread you made @Mizuki67 to clear it up but you abandoned it, why?
Cuz clearly i actually see your arguments being valid so @Astral_Trinity439 lets just said my reason for it being flawed is same as mizuki

We already discussed it on discord about his arguments, plus it was made without much talk with others, therefore we closed it and instead discussed it on discord
I've also already made a rewording thread for it with all additional and more solid arguments, which has already been approved by staff as well.

Ultimate skills can but clearly not all
You know primordial magic is on the level of an ultimate?, yeah?, but carrera magic didn't even dent an absolutely holding back and weakened velgrynd because that attack was bound by the laws of the world

We already have another primordial such as Ultima's poison magic working on Velgrynd -_-

• Curse Manipulation, Poison Manipulation & Pain Manipulation (Ultima was able to put curse magic on someone, at the same time inflicting pain on the target by using her poison. She was also shown to have the ability to remove the curse from the target however she wants. Furthermore, her Curse Poison was also able to damage Velgrynd's body despite having resistance to Ultima's curse ability. The most dangerous part about this is that it could also damage the spiritual, and astral body if she make full use of this curse magic.)

Additionally, we already have statements that Ultimate magic such as disintegration itself not being able to harm a True Dragon in itself, however, an Ultimate skill can, when combined with magic, still do it