Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[CloverDragon03]

I feel it'd be disingenuous for me to not leave a comment here, because although it wasn't mentioned, this does come from me as well. So here goes.

Yes, I did in fact make claims about MG supporters earlier regarding their behavior to people who disagree with them. It was late at night for me, so perhaps I had less of a filter than I normally do, but honestly... Largely speaking, I stand by what I said. At the very least, I feel this way about the MG supporters I've had experiences with. It's a lot of "you didn't read", "you're biased against MG", and all that stuff. It's like they're trying to gatekeep the verse, and idk if this is just me, but when I see such a degree of gatekeeping it makes me thing they have something to hide - like a faulty rating they know to be faulty but still want to keep.

Take Tatsumi and Pein's whole debacle right now, for example. It was mentioned before that Pein had warnings while Tatsumi didn't have any issues prior to this MG stuff when Fuji came along. But, if I may be so blunt, that's quite literally because Fuji was among the first to actually question the MG ratings and abilities. I got treated the same way too, for daring to question the "Logic Manipulation" of Venuzdonoa or the 2-A rating for the Land of Traces. It's like if someone goes against the MG supporter base's grain, it's not enough to disagree with them, but they must be made into absolute buffoons for daring to question anything about the verse.

I don't think Tatsumi's accusations of prejudice hold weight. I don't lie like that. I see no point in it. If I'm saying something like this, it's because I genuinely believe it to be rooted in truth

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I just got off work and came home. I opened the wiki to see what’s happening, and, damn, someone brought up 2 year old stuff that was already resolved back in the day as supporting arguments to make MG fans look bad. Great way to start off the weekend.

I don't really care about the current drama going on here since you mentioned me. I'm just going to justify myself.

@EldemadeDityjon also said this

So do not come here and make some claim like you are a victim; I still stand by what I said; you and some MG fans think anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, hates MG or cannot read.

Could you stop leaving out context when you report someone or argue something? You're cherry-picking my words, that's all. I literally mentioned why I think you are not open minded.

spammed random threads, calling out around 20 random staff members on their walls

It's a waste of time, knowing that some random staff member might come and agree with it (infact 2 staffs already agreed before even waiting for other supporters to produce any counters it already shows how much of waste of time participating in that thread

If you were open-minded and arguing in good faith, I don’t think you would spam your CRT links on 10-20 staff members’ walls, asking them to evaluate without addressing counterarguments or engaging in a proper debate like a fair debater should. You didn’t even wait for supporters to show up or post in the discussion thread or on their walls to hear their side of the arguments. You tried to push the thread through with staff votes alone. So, I’m not sure how any of my comments suggesting you’re not open-minded toward opponents' arguments are incorrect.

From your behavior above, I don't see any open-minded spirit from you. If you want me to change my point of view on you, start by asking for input from supporters and engaging in a proper debate instead of trying to push the thread forward with only random staff input and your arguments alone. Also, stop playing the victim. If you can’t handle others having opinions about your character, then stop mischaracterizing others.

First of all, how is this report-worthy? Or bad behavior when I'm just expressing my perspective on you being unfair in the recent thread situation.

Edit: Just an addition
Let us not forget you @EldemadeDityjon calling me the R-word the first time I did the downgrade from 2-A to low 2-C for the verse. Or @EldemadeDityjon calling me stupid for creating a thread. I am not making a report for this or wanting anyone to be punished for what they said some time ago off-site;

I don't know what current offsite rules are

Gyazo

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This is you from two years ago insulting other people's mothers on Discord. I don't care about the past, so I'll just drop it. I just wanted to show that you're not a saint when it comes to offsite behavior. However, this is in the past and related to Discord so I don't want to continue discussing it. So I request staff to ignore this. I just wanted to remind pain of her own behaviour in the past.

But I'm pretty sure you already reported mine, and I already corrected my behavior in the past. So stop bringing up stuff from two years ago to make me feel like some bad guy here. Have I ever interacted with you in this manner since then?

Try bringing up something new. It seems like you're stuck in the past or seeking sympathy by bringing up old issues. You claim to be open-minded but contradict yourself by using outdated matters to support your claims without acknowledging that the person you're reporting might have changed.

I'll let the staff handle it. I just wanted to share my perspective. Either way, I'm done. I have better plans for the weekend than debating about past behavior that's already been resolved. I've changed since then.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with what Lephyr and CloverDragon are saying. And do not think Tatsumi's report was very valid.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Reporting @SuperSonicTL for what I consider to be pretty clear-cut vote manipulation in this thread.

-He put the ones that disagreed with Low 1C as Agreeing with 2A and neutral as low 1C
-Completely ignored the opposition in counting votes.
-He more or less admitted he didn't even count the opposition or just simply forgot they existed.

More proof here, here, here, here, and here.

He did it again here.

So yeah, I think this is a pretty clear case.

For anyone wondering, this is the actual vote tally counted by Agnaa.

Edited to include more evidence.

 

[Agnaa]

As I mentioned in my summary post of the votecount situation here, I don't think it's right to say Sonic "completely ignored the opposition in counting votes". Sonic undeniably counted 6 of the votes correctly, including two votes from the opposition. Although, they did pretty clearly count three votes incorrectly, all of which were opposed to parts of the thread.

Given Sonic's lack of previous warnings (at least according to the tracker), I'm fine with just leaving this at a warning.

Although I would hope that any attention it gets here could bring staff to help resolve it; votes are pretty deadlocked, yet Sonic has already applied the thread, including a part which was accepted by 4 staff but rejected by 5.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah I do think a stern warning is in order.

As for the thread, I'd like to opt for a rollback considering the existence of a standard change revision that directly ties into the outcome of it.

 

[Agnaa]

Okay so after having that pointed out, Sonic redid the tally, misrepresenting it again, and being incorrect about how they misrepresented things originally, in a way that would've made themselves seem better.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, that is not a good practice to ignore people's clear stances.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I just made the tally how I felt it to be. I fixed that part later as well. What y'all want me to do more about it?

 

[CloverDragon03]

I just made the tally how I felt it to be. I fixed that part later as well. What y'all want me to do more about it?

Rather than make the tally about how you feel it to be, you should be making the tally as it actually is

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Rather than make the tally about how you feel it to be, you should be making the tally as it actually is

The only point that was wrong on my part was Deagon because he didn't made his reasoning well and just kept going back to Ultima's previous reply from a previous thread that was irrelevant by virtue after he confirmed he didn't read the context and it can either be 2C or L1C unlike previous thread where he seemingly disagreed only.

Glass was more of a matter of not being clear as he just said he is fine with it.

Same with Firestorm who never stated he is being neutral or downright disagreeing with L1C rating so how am I supposed to put him into disagreement for confirmation?

As for Ovens, I accidently forgot to put it there soo that's a mistake from my part. I fixed it right on spot after Agnaa pointed it out.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The only point that was wrong on my part was Deagon because he didn't made his reasoning well and just kept going back to Ultima's previous reply from a previous thread that was irrelevant by virtue after he confirmed he didn't read the context and it can either be 2C or L1C unlike previous thread where he seemingly disagreed only.

Glass was more of a matter of not being clear as he just said he is fine with it.

Same with Firestorm who never stated he is being neutral or downright disagreeing with L1C rating so how am I supposed to put him into disagreement for confirmation?

As for Ovens, I accidently forgot to put it there soo that's a mistake from my part. I fixed it right on spot after Agnaa pointed it out.

Not gonna lie, I don't think Firestorm could be more clear than this.

At least 2-B, likely 2-A

So yeah...

 

[SuperSonicTL]

If it seems like I'm being dishonest, then so be it. I'm perfectly fine letting that thread close without a conclusion and revert everything back to 2C if that's the way it has to be. Just say it once to me.

But in return, I want the container revision CRT to be taken into consideration before everything.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Not gonna lie, I don't think Firestorm could be more clear than this.

So yeah...

Take a look again. He didn't specified if he downright disagree or is neutral about it. You can't take anything for guaranteed.

Again, just one reply is all it takes for me to fix the message & that's without mentioning all the mods who have been tagged into that thread to reiterate their opinions. There is literally no advantage for me to misrepresent votes anyway after that. I didn't put Glass previously in agreement as well back then so that's that.

Not much evidence? I also asked the mods to close all the threads without any conclusion that was supposed to add materials over the verse and blamed one of the supporters from my end as well in the process & it was me that spammed everyone to look into that general revision thread when others left it to rot.

And mind you it's me that it is likely me who is going to apply these downgrades that the other dude forgot to take responsibilities for it as well. I just want to do things right. That's without mentioning I barely have any experience beforehand with such CRT threads and so, if my replies counter isn't showing it already.

 

[Da3ggman]

And mind you it's me that it is likely me who is going to apply these downgrades that the other dude forgot to take responsibilities for it as well. I just want to do things right. That's without mentioning I barely have any experience beforehand with such CRT threads and so, if my replies counter isn't showing it already.

Bro.....you can put all of this in one message; you're kinda cluttering the thread right now.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Bro.....you can put all of this in one message; you're kinda cluttering the thread right now.

Sorry, my bad. But the point still stands, there is literally no advantage for me to do this all. Infact, it is me who should point out why nobody is taking those thread seriously enough, neither this CRT that was created to address it only to be ignored later down the line.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

A quick look-through of the situation makes this look worse than you, SuperSonic, present it as. I would be content to issue a short ban (say, two weeks to a month) given the repeated nature of the offense. I'm open to the idea that this is somehow a cascading misunderstanding but it seems enormously unlikely, at this point.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Fair enough.

 

[Unoriginal777]

Hello all,

If I were to add my humble input on the situation I would say that a ban feels unnecessary for a first time offense on an issue such as this. It's very clear to me that confusion occurred along the way in the cataloguing of votes which is not impossible to happen when intent/words can be used carelessly at times on the internet which in turn leads to misinterpretation of the situation (i.e. like conveying sarcasm on the internet) and again I would reiterate that this is a first time offense for a new member so you really should consider letting Sonic off with a warning since he's still adjusting to the culture of the site. I myself would hate to make a first mistake and to my horror get banned for a month after I apologized and realized the error of my ways immediately. A warning is best in such cases and if the issue still persists then a ban is imminent and fair to exercise as a deterrent.

In any case, while I have the attention of mods that are active for the time being I'd like to encourage that they need to be more active CRT threads they reply at; especially when said threads concern scaling standards for the whole site. This thread for example started by @LordGriffin1000 is of great significance as it presents a quandary that must be confronted for tier 2 standards moving forward and ironically this issue is one which @SuperSonicTL had brought to light through his push tier 2-A or Low 1-C DMC. So at the very least for the sake of making things clearer concerning DMC scaling going forward it would be wise to really engage with this thread rather then leave it to gather dust. It's your call either way VSBW.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Hello all,

If I were to add my humble input on the situation I would say that a ban feels unnecessary for a first time offense on an issue such as this. It's very clear to me that confusion occurred along the way in the cataloguing of votes which is not impossible to happen when intent/words can be used carelessly at times on the internet which in turn leads to misinterpretation of the situation (i.e. like conveying sarcasm on the internet) and again I would reiterate that this is a first time offense for a new member so you really should consider letting Sonic off with a warning since he's still adjusting to the culture of the site. I myself would hate to make a first mistake and to my horror get banned for a month after I apologized and realized the error of my ways immediately. A warning is best in such cases and if the issue still persists then a ban is imminent and fair to exercise as a deterrent.

In any case, while I have the attention of mods that are active for the time being I'd like to encourage that they need to be more active CRT threads they reply at; especially when said threads concern scaling standards for the whole site. This thread for example started by @LordGriffin1000 is of great significance as it presents a quandary that must be confronted for tier 2 standards moving forward and ironically this issue is one which @SuperSonicTL had brought to light through his push tier 2-A or Low 1-C DMC. So at the very least for the sake of making things clearer concerning DMC scaling going forward it would be wise to really engage with this thread rather then leave it to gather dust. It's your call either way VSBW.

This isn't a new member, he joined the forum in late 2023- over a year ago. I would also be content to write it off as a mere mistake had it not been reiterated upon Agnaa fixing the vote tally, and had it not left out some fairly explicit votes (Firestorm's).

This isn't the place to recruit for CRTs, and also, I am not chipping in to more tier 2 nonsense- it is the least important part of the site, one's limited time to contribute can be better spent elsewhere. You are permitted to speak on this thread further regarding SuperSonic's report (should you have some evidence or new insight on the matter), do leave CRT recruitment for non-management threads.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

This isn't a new member, he joined the forum in late 2023- over a year ago. I would also be content to write it off as a mere mistake had it not been reiterated upon Agnaa fixing the vote tally, and had it not left out some fairly explicit votes (Firestorm's).

Just because I joined the forum in late 2023 doesn’t mean I’ve been actively using it since then. This is literally my first time navigating pages like this. You can check my contribution history on Fandom over it if it isn't clear enough.

As for the tally, I had my own reasoning for why I did it which I already explained above. There were no “explicit” cases, none of them were clear-cut. I’ve seen people jump from 2C straight to L1C for one reason or another. As for Firestorm, he said "likely 2A" but haven't elaborated on L1C part at all, there could be a possibility he doesn't know that tier much & left it as neutral, I can't just put him into disagreement without his confirmation. This isn’t just a simple revision as we are literally discussing two tiers at the same time if the tally in itself wasn’t clear to begin with. Besides, Agnaa was already reviewing it so what was even the point of me being sneaky there? I literally was waiting for his input in that thread? He asked me once and I fixed it on the spot. You guys only need to bring it up once you know...

 

[Unoriginal777]

Just because I joined the forum in late 2023 doesn’t mean I’ve been actively using it since then. This is literally my first time navigating pages like this. You can check my contribution history on Fandom over it if it isn't clear enough.

As for the tally, I had my own reasoning for why I did it which I already explained above. There were no “explicit” cases, none of them were clear-cut. I’ve seen people jump from 2C straight to L1C for one reason or another. As for Firestorm, he said "likely 2A" but haven't elaborated on L1C part at all, there could be a possibility he doesn't know that tier much & left it as neutral, I can't just put him into disagreement without his confirmation. This isn’t just a simple revision as we are literally discussing two tiers at the same time if the tally in itself wasn’t clear to begin with. Besides, Agnaa was already reviewing it so what was even the point of me being sneaky there? I literally was waiting for his input in that thread? He asked me once and I fixed it on the spot. You guys only need to bring it up once you know...

Good point actually. Jotting down a likely 2-A as neutral is definitely not a sign of malice @Mr. Bambu. If Sonic were trying to be malicious wouldn't he just assume that @Firestorm808 liked Low 1-C as well. But not only did @SuperSonicTL not even give DMC the benefit of the doubt by giving it another likely 2-A supporter, but also relegated said supporter to being neutral which is as fair as it gets with vagueness. Seems to me you're reaching a bit far on that count @Mr. Bambu as likely 2-A cannot just become doesn't against 2-A instantly or else had the shoe been on your foot and you attempted to convey the message that way I'd be bringing you here for an arguable charge on vote forgery.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Anyway I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again and hope to get another chance

 

[GrathOfLux]

A quick look-through of the situation makes this look worse than you, SuperSonic, present it as. I would be content to issue a short ban (say, two weeks to a month) given the repeated nature of the offense. I'm open to the idea that this is somehow a cascading misunderstanding but it seems enormously unlikely, at this point.

I agree with this assessment of the situation. The defence of the issues here has so far revolved around being mistaken numerous times due to purportedly vague votes - but not only are several of their claims about legitimate error put forward so far very hard to believe, it also consequentially leads me to think that SuperSonicTL is not being very honest about their position in this issue. A brief ban period to deter any motivation to cause further issues in this regard is in order.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the rules say there shouldn't be more than 3 active CRTs per verse.

If so, why is this happening?

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the rules say there shouldn't be more than 3 active CRTs per verse.

If so, why is this happening?

See post number 18 of that thread.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

then i guess the rules don't mean anything anymore, thanks.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

then i guess the rules don't mean anything anymore, thanks.

You shouldn't post here btw if you don't have any rule violation to report.

And for your question, if one thread remain idle for more than 1 month then it's considers as inactive, hence that 3crt rule didn't apply to that crt as previous crt is consider inactive.

 

[Agnaa]

This is an announcement from the HR group regarding recent private discussions.

We have decided to demote GarrixianXD from their Thread Moderator position in the advent of a recent string of incidents highlighting poor sense of judgment and irresponsible conduct within their position. These have included the deletion of pages and messages without proper staff oversight, the previous misuse of temporary administrator rights to apply ban to users on the wiki (although those instances were later evaluated and weren't rescinded), as well as instances of dishonest conduct off-site prior to and during the HR investigation.

They’ve overall been very helpful as a Content Moderator and Translation Helper, and will continue to have those positions.

Further discussion on this topic is not permitted.

That will be all.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

This is an announcement from the HR group regarding recent private discussions.

We have decided to demote GarrixianXD from their Thread Moderator position in the advent of a recent string of incidents highlighting poor sense of judgment and irresponsible conduct within their position. These have included the deletion of pages and messages without proper staff oversight, the previous misuse of temporary administrator rights to apply ban to users on the wiki (although those instances were later evaluated and weren't rescinded), as well as instances of dishonest conduct off-site prior to and during the HR investigation.

They’ve overall been very helpful as a Content Moderator and Translation Helper, and will continue to have those positions.

Further discussion on this topic is not permitted.

That will be all.

They already left the site if you didn't know

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

No offense intended, but the sentence at the bottom said, "Further discussion not permitted." But taking it up to DMs is reasonable.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Can we talk about how awful is @ShionAH behaving here?

For a TLDR:

• Basically insults and gets rude all the time, accusing me to manipulate staff simply because I made more compelling arguments than his in said downgrade.
  • It also lacks any evidence then throwing random stuff from Flowey and stuff to mind the warp of people who don't know Undertale, disgusting if you ask me.
  • Strym pretty much manipulated the Staff to make it look way worse.
  • This is the most disgusting, most insane argument I have ever seen that somehow got a pass from MULTIPLE staff members. I could genuinly jump off a building just to not live in the same cosmos as this piece of shit of a text.
  • Do ANY OF THEM make Frisk DROP THEIR WEAPON, HUG THEM and THEN abondon Genocide? Do ANY OF THEM do this when Frisk is LV 19.99999 RIGHT WHEN THEY ARE AT THEIR GOAL? DO ANY OF THEM DO THIS WHEN FRISK IS AT THEIR PEAK DETERMINATION AND LOVE (LEVEL OF VIOLENCE) or EXP (Execution Points THAT LITERALLY MAKE YOU MORE “EVIL” and “AGRESSIVE”)? Ohh but noo its always MY arguments that suddenly “make no sense” and are “wack”
• Essentially refuses to add Agnaa's disagreement (who did agree with the SI removal), by saying that Agnaa did not add anything yet, despite other staff members agreeing with Agnaa (1 and 2), and randomly invalidating his vote only because he did not know some information (that ultimately did not impact the argument that much).

Speaking of the second thing, @Agnaa did confirm off-site that his was indeed a disagreement vote.

EDIT: He did put a "presumably" in Agnaa's vote, but it's still vote manipulation imo.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The voting is certainly strange. Looking at the history, it appears DDM's vote was counted before Agnaa's, despite DDM's vote hinging on Agnaa's (as in, DDM's vote was counted, the editing was saved, and then Agnaa's was added in with "presumably" later on). Given this, I would find it at least plausible that Shion at the very least was hesitant to count what seems to me an explicit vote. It isn't so underhanded as manipulation, I think, but it is concerning behavior.

As for the outbursts, that is much less in the grey- Shion has had warnings for this sort of behavior in the past. I do think it bears mentioning that I find at least a couple comments from you, Strym, to not be helping the situation. Still, much of what you're quoting comes directly from the OP, so Shion was obviously on full tilt from turn one. I'll issue a warning for disruptive behavior for now, holding on action relating to accused vote manipulation.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh and because I forgot, and I have no idea if editing a message applies the notification, @ShionAH

 

[Theglassman12]

How many times has Shion been reported here? I feel like this is the 4th time he's been reported for his behavior in CRTs.

 

[StrymULTRA]

holding on action relating to accused vote manipulation.

On that, about the removal of the weakness, he did purposely made my vote and DDM's an agreement when I said I did not care enough to argue for it, and even specified that I was neutral there.

DDM just agreed with me and Agnaa, yet Shion put us both in agree.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Thanks for commenting but it's been taken care of now.


No further discussion is needed on this topic.

I'd like to ask: why isn't @The_Yellow_Topaz banned yet on Fandom?

Did you guys forget to do that when he was outed to be a sock of Charmander (something he did himself admit later)?

 

[Damage3245]

I'd like to ask: why isn't @The_Yellow_Topaz banned yet on Fandom?

Did you guys forget to do that when he was outed to be a sock of Charmander (something he did himself admit later)?

It's possible it was just overlooked. I'll apply the ban to their wiki profile now.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

On this thread

@BlackDarkness679 is being quite rude to Glassman for disagreeing with something he posted. Including calling people "Clowns." And a specific post removed by Lephyr was especially uncalled for. And ignoring warnings isn't really helping his case either.