Posts
here,
here,
here,
here,
here, here... and more. Reading through it, other users were cordial until pressed upon by Chariot. Mixed with more recent unnecessarily arguing with myself (beginning
here). The most egregious comments were those leveled at Omnificence, I think, such that others even acknowledged they were uncalled for. So, just letting y'all know.
For the record, having read through this thread, I endorse this warning. Though I believe it would be productive to specify further the main issues I observed here, especially so because he was reported and demoted for similar issues in the past. I believe that any future discussion of this should be built on the knowledge that specific direction has been given in this case.
I can't speak on Bambu's behalf as to what they thought the substance of the report was, but my concern was predominantly with these issues: the repeated targeted and accusatory comments made against particular users, most notably towards Omnificence, Eden_Warlock99, and Imaginym, were very much disproportionate to any trigger that may have incited them in the discussion of the thread itself. Questioning whether there are ulterior motives in a debate partner is one thing - perhaps it was phrased impolitely, but Chariot frequently noting things like, for example, that he believed he was being strawmanned or that his opponents were incredulous is not something I can strictly speak against him for in isolation - but the comments Chariot made throughout this thread routinely derailed off of the main point to make a jab at the individual behind them without necessity. For a select few examples:
This is super desperate grasping, like actual cope arguments at this point, you know damn well what they mean, let's not pretend otherwise.
Because it's so obvious that the fact you're even arguing this is legitimate baffling to me?
I hate this so much.... Why are you ignoring the entire premise of the game and absolutely everything they say?
Because of people like you apparently.
Not an argument, you think Wario sat on his ass for half an hour? When he was literally there?
Being a funny color name doesn't give you free reign to yap against majority.
I consider these statements especially egregious in the context for a couple of reasons: one, the statements against Imaginym in particular were clearly not triggered by anything substantial. Imaginym, despite disagreeing, made many efforts throughout the thread to express that he was not intending to offend Chariot and offered almost entirely decent expressions of disagreement; Chariot's comments were unquestionably the instigator of conflict there, and there is no reason to think anything wrong would have happened if it were not for the hostility of his input. Secondly, while Chariot making certain comments against the intentions of the other users are contentious to report in isolation (in the sense of, where is the line drawn between an earnest concern about ulterior motives versus an attempt to redirect the argument to someone's character?), it's marked that Chariot was intent on expressing that he thought other's accusatory comments against him were inappropriate:
Though to call me dishonest isn't arguing in good faith though, I pray I don't need to call you out on that. Where calling me dishonest is a blatant accusation, one that doesn't even hold up.
I don't care if you don't think it isn't condescending, I'm sure we both know it doesn't matter what one's self thinks in regards to how they talk, word stuff, yadda yadda, I'm telling you don't. Don't like it.
Despite these issues being of very similar nature to the accusations he expressed to others throughout the thread. These comments by Bambu were sometimes impolite, and it's possible they could have been written due to resentment towards Chariot - but the core issue would still remain. Consistently, I did not believe reading through this thread that Chariot was holding himself to the same standards of conduct as other people; I believed that he was aggressive and demeaning and repeatedly turned the matter on the characters of the individuals in question, while insisting that others were wrong for doing a portion of the same to him. Even recognising that I would have wanted Bambu to phrase some things differently, I think this was indicative of a lapse of good will debating on the part of Chariot.
@Chariot190 I'm bringing this matter to you personally, because you are aware that you have been reported for similar conduct in the past and demoted because of it. The understanding was that a demotion was a noteworthy enough punishment that future discussions would not result in these issues, and that hasn't happened. This is about the same type of issue that you were demoted for previously, and I largely knew that this would occur, because I am aware you expressed to others you didn't take your reasons for your demotion seriously. I am fine with leaving this as a warning, because all I want out of this situation is future improvements; for you and others to be able to partake in this community in a civil manner and for that to be all she wrote. But I would like to be clear that I'm not happy to see that this matter has been brought up again, and that I would consider advocating for further action if this continued. In the inverse, if you have issues with the conduct of other users, you can always bring them through the relevant channels and I would make an effort to see them evaluated impartially.