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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

I am fine fine with GrathOfLux's conclusions here.

Also, can other staff members evaluate Eficiente's complaints please? 🙏
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
As for the Styrm report, while I'm not really saying he's the most civilized user, Eficiente really isn't behaving that much better tbh; some of his responses to Styrm were moderately pompous.
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Could you site those ones please? Also, this comment comes across as odd to me; I point out a user misbehaving, and you don't reply to it, you reflect it back at me; Does this mean those moderately pompous responses were misbehavior as well? If so, I would like to know how so so I can do better, or source this as an example of what's viewed as misbehavior. If they're not misbehavior, well, that's the odd part.

This can be in a pm.
 
Eficiente said:
Could you site those ones please? Also, this comment comes across as odd to me; I point out a user misbehaving, and you don't reply to it, you reflect it back at me; Does this mean those moderately pompous responses were misbehavior as well? If so, I would like to know how so so I can do better, or source this as an example of what's viewed as misbehavior. If they're not misbehavior, well, that's the odd part.

This can be in a pm.
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This first sentence here was pompous.
Eficiente said:
Don't make stuff up. My first argument was 1 interpretation being more likely than another interpretation due to being simpler, the other being literally infinitely more complex. That's a logical throughline, you don't see it and so you don't counter it.
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And aside from that, while not really violations or against the rules, "Whataboutism" allegations IMO seem to be based on gross misunderstandings. A lot of people are in the mentality that "Whataboutism" simply means bringing up other verses. But the dictionary definition of "Whataboutism" is basically trying to respond to an allegation or difficult question with an even bigger allegation or more difficult question. I do not think making a simple statement about Dragon Ball Heroes having Immeasurable via objects that travel forward and backwards in time with ease. Responding to an interrogative sentence with another interrogative sentence is more or less what a whataboutism is; it's hard for declarative sentences to be classified as such.
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You saying that because you don't want it to be Immeasurable isn't an argument.
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Is probably a whataboutism, but
StrymULTRA said:
We literally have Dragon Ball Heroes' Dark Dragon Balls to be Immeasurable off the same argument too after all, this isn't any different.
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is not really a whataboutism.

I don't really have much to say regarding some other things you linked and do not think many other comments were too bad. I agree Strym should avoid calling you "Lil Bro," and that some of his earlier posts are more accusatory than necessary. But I actually do agree with him that simply saying "Whataboutism" isn't a proper counterargument to some of those points.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
This first sentence here was pompous.
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I shouldn't say "Don't make stuff up." to reply to "You saying that because you don't want it to be Immeasurable isn't an argument." when I actually made arguments? I would like to know what do other staff think of this, if possible.

Edit: It puts my efforts to disagree with a thread as me being petty enough to work based on not wanting a proposal, ruining everything for everyone, which in turn severely poisons my image for future threads. The accusation is massive & has no reason to be, so he would need to make it up bc he felt like saying that, if anything that's a pretty chill reply to give from my part. I can't avoid thinking that it being pompous puts on the table an unfair lack of tolerance on me, am I showing disrespect to how he reasoned that my arguments are based on pettiness yet didn't explain how so? Lowing that reasoning as "making stuff up"?
DarkDragonMedeus said:
"Whataboutism" allegations IMO seem to be based on gross misunderstandings. A lot of people are in the mentality that "Whataboutism" simply means bringing up other verses. But the dictionary definition of "Whataboutism" is basically trying to respond to an allegation or difficult question with an even bigger allegation or more difficult question. I do not think making a simple statement about Dragon Ball Heroes having Immeasurable via objects that travel forward and backwards in time with ease. Responding to an interrogative sentence with another interrogative sentence is more or less what a whataboutism is; it's hard for declarative sentences to be classified as such.

Is probably a whataboutism, but

is not really a whataboutism.
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But I actually do agree with him that simply saying "Whataboutism" isn't a proper counterargument to some of those points.
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I made 2 arguments (Here), he quotes part of 1, and doesn't reply to the argument, but does bring up how what I go against has been accepted before. If the point is used to deflect and avoid addressing a specific argument, it falls under Whataboutism (I'm sure he didn't mean to). He claims the argument is the same, but it's not and a new discussion emerges.
 
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Last comment on the topic. The thread is closed now, but Strym said some more stuff after the ones I quoted.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/smash-bros-immeasurable-speed-revision.175466/#post-6916400 He mocks how I bring up would-be fights at Immeasurable speed having within a timeframe as a contradiction as "huh huh timeframe = speed is bunk!!!"

This one takes some context
  1. https://vsbattles.com/threads/smash-bros-immeasurable-speed-revision.175466/#post-6916333 I explain why "The ability to time travel"/hax is the same as Immeasurable speed in a certain context, and that therefore there are no grounds to claim Immeasurable speed when certain feats happen.
  2. https://vsbattles.com/threads/smash-bros-immeasurable-speed-revision.175466/#post-6916352
  3. https://vsbattles.com/threads/smash-bros-immeasurable-speed-revision.175466/#post-6916410 A user replies with a simple comment saying that, that ability and Immeasurable speed are different, which is covered by my arguments as it explains that they're different. I tell him that it doesn't address anything, that if they replace a word they said for the word I used (they're synonyms), and it becomes clearer to see how my argument covers their comment. I tell them to please read my comment again.
  4. https://vsbattles.com/threads/smash-bros-immeasurable-speed-revision.175466/#post-6916413 StrymULTRA replies "Efi can you ******* stop pretending that the only explanation for people disagreeing with you is not reading and/or understanding your arguments? They do, and they still disagree with you at that, it's not like the only reason is them not being able to comprehend what you're saying. It's pretty damn annoying and even looking condescending."
You can see that he made the comment 3 minutes away from mine. He didn't try to understand where I'm coming from and if I might be correct. I'm just wrong, terribly pretending like another didn't understand something, and Strym couldnt take it anymore. Worse, he's under the impression that this is common for me, and in this thread he has very much not understood my arguments more than once, hence I needed to ask for clarification not present in his comments and he in turn gave clarification. How do you hate me so much that you misremember regular actions I did as terrible things I did? It's clearly unhealthy, people doesn't misremember things like that, if he had any proof I was pretending he didn't understand my comments, he would have said so at the time every time in the thread.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/smash-bros-immeasurable-speed-revision.175466/page-2#post-6916434 Strym justifies himself by ignoring the situation all together, which he can't justify, and excuses himself on how the claimed bad thing I did was done in another unrelated thread from another verse, which I can't possibly reply to in a Smash Bros. thread. I tell him to talk me on private on that other thread if he wanted to hear what I had to say about it, but I don't think he's ever going to do that. And that would be all fine & good, if it was known to me that he will actually stop using it as an example. It's disturbing hearing him say bits of wisdom like "Sometimes you have to accept that people simply disagree with you because they simply don't buy your reasons" when I have my reasons as to why others may not address my arguments. He didn't properly care to see if I was wrong to begin with and doesn't care about if I prove myself correct.

In the debate across the thread;
  • he's quick to misunderstand what I say into something worse,
  • constantly acts casually in the way he misjudges flaws as if to emphasize how clear my errors are, which seems pretty forced,
  • and he seems to understand when I make arguments I agrees with or can't reply to, but every time that happens he just ignores making any comment about it.
  • Among it, he misremembers things I do or I already argued for, coming up with things I already argued against before that he didn't reply to at the time.
It all makes it impossible to believe the sincerity behind otherwise fine comments like "This is just your argument from incredulity, got it." "Very ironic coming from you." "Brotha, you started to grasp to every silly reason ever to dismiss the feat" etc. As in, I'm sure he believes them all himself, but I don't believe the amount of patience he has for me is healthy. I think he hates me enough to actively avoid talking formally to get away with as much of a "Look how stupid this is" tone as reasonably possible, and he enjoys making fun of me like that. It's not some 4D chess maneuver, just a very common tactic people like this can use.

I'm not offended by him, just annoyed. He needs to recognize the problem so that they may not happen again. Even if I never talk with him again, I would be at peace if he could understand all the issues. If a staff could look at the situation, talk with him about it, and then please tell me if he understands the issues brought up, I would appreciate that.
 
Yeah, this time, Styrm did not settle down with the harsh comments. While I do agree with him regarding the outcome of the thread regarding Immeasurable speed (Not relevant here though), he desperately does need to settle down his tone and language in future threads. "LMAO" is not an appropriate response when trying to have a civilized debate with someone. I also did see Eficiente at least tried to improve his behavior in the future posts and acknowledge some things said in the past, but Styrm continued to be harsher than necessary going down the line
 
I suppose I'll give my answer here.

I simply tried to point out the (personally felt) absurdity of Eficiente's points, though I admit I wasn't exactly nice at it, and looking back at the thread I admit I could've worded better some rebuttals, and I didn't answer to some things as I didn't want to derail the discussion and only focus on OP.

Some things like "I replied after 3 minutes" however is because I'm a fast reader than me not bothering to read things, though yeah I definitely did go overboard with it, as I forgot that professionalism and cooling down are vital here and I overreacted at the disagreement (and yeah I could've avoided the "Lmao", thinking back at it).

I'll go by whatever y'all decide, I just don't want a serious beef in Christmas' Eve of all days.
 
Reading through Eficiente's report and the relevant thread, I would agree that Strym is crossing lines that ought not be crossed. Efi may be disagreed with, and sticking to his conclusions can be frustrating when you feel yourself correct, but Strym is lashing out in practically every message. I note Efi himself is relatively reserved in his responses- this does not mean we cannot interpret aggression in them (just more dressed up), but here I don't think there's enough to say it's two people butting heads. Strym just is aggressing.

As such, I'll sign off on a warning for Strym. I don't care who it is you're talking with, the adage applies: play nice. DDM agreed above, so as it is a relatively minor dispute, I will add it to the Warning Tracker before it is forgotten.
 
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We probably shouldn't continue down this line of conversation anymore. Discussing the morality of killing another human being, regardless of personal opinion about said human's actions in life, is completely inappropriate for this forum. We're a site dedicated to indexing and debating about fictional characters. Not a political forum to air out grievances about Healthcare in America.
 
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Noneless21 said:
Success0906

Thread 'With this, I summon the Blue eyes, white haired Mai—wait, who is the other one?'


Vs


Kiana "Tuna" Kaslana:
Go/jo Satoru:
Mei rizzes them both up~:

it seems like this is a spite match, and this person is just debating with himself, which I have a suspicion that he's not well in his mind
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Ah yes, it is indeed a spite match, isn't it? I should be banned for this violation of rules. That is the only way I might learn to not make and fun and games post containing spite matches and derailment.
 
Success0906 said:
Ah yes, it is indeed a spite match, isn't it? I should be banned for this violation of rules. That is the only way I might learn to not make and fun and games post containing spite matches and derailment.
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Since it is a fun and games thread it seems harmless, as long as none of our rules have been broken. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Since it is a fun and games thread it seems harmless, as long as none of our rules have been broken. 🙏
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Ah, very well. I thank you for your patience with me. I am sorry if I caused any harm to anyone with my little fun. I get lonely a lot, so I just go on random sites and do stuff. I once again apologize to anyone who has been disturbed by my actions. Thank you.
 
Vzearr said:
You acknowledged your mistake but didn't revert it, a warning is fine with me, but it should be a strong one.
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Antvasima said:
Okay. I think that is perfectly acceptable to apply. 🙏
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Is somebody able and willing to apply tbe warnings and update our warning tracker accordingly please? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. I think that is perfectly acceptable to apply. 🙏
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How was I supposed to revert it if the profile was locked when I found out about my mistake, I didn’t have the proper permissions.

I guess maybe I should have asked to reopen it, I just thought someone else was going to because there was another Metal Sonic CRT that didn’t have the additions for it added yet before it was locked. My bad.
 
JJSliderman said:
How was I supposed to revert it if the profile was locked when I found out about my mistake, I didn’t have the proper permissions.

I guess maybe I should have asked to reopen it, I just thought someone else was going to because there was another Metal Sonic CRT that didn’t have the additions for it added yet before it was locked. My bad.
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Hmm. That seems like a valid point, but you should have asked for help in our all-purpose requests thread. 🙏
 
I should have. But I only found out about my mistake and the lack of staff votes today, from a message made at 2:30 AM when I was asleep, and by the time I woke up I was already reported. If I had known earlier I definitely would not have done it.
 
JJSliderman said:
How was I supposed to revert it if the profile was locked when I found out about my mistake, I didn’t have the proper permissions.

I guess maybe I should have asked to reopen it, I just thought someone else was going to because there was another Metal Sonic CRT that didn’t have the additions for it added yet before it was locked. My bad.
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There's a level of disbelief about how much one could have mistakenly added, but in this instance I find it feasible that the additions were made in error or misunderstanding. I don't think formal action is necessary, just be very careful in the future.
 
I am fine with Bambu's solution here. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
I have asked about it. 🙏
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Not to derail here, but shouldn't we do something like get in touch with the local authorities regarding this matter? Even if it's outside of the wiki here, I do think we have to do more for the well-being of our staff & users on here. I mean, I've had something similar happen to me once & it had a pretty bad impact on my mentality when it came to this site.
 
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