Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[LordGinSama]

When you add "keep trying kiddo" at the end of your argument, what do you expect in return?

That's like being condescending at best, not sure when attempting to continue a debate or dismissing incorrect arguments has been against the rules. What did I expect? For him to bring new and better arguments, not for me to get called a bitch and a fetus. Your acting like I went after him personally or even insulted him, which I didn't. Once more Smashor is the one who instigated it by calling me a direct insult, that was his reaction and his reaction alone.

Are you saying your comment was not a least bit provocative?

Absolutely not? Everyone can be somewhat condescending and what I did was very minor. Again, your acting as if I made a personal attack on someone or made some kind of insult to someone whenever at worst what I did was attack the argument itself. I've both apologized (to which Smashor hasn't hasn't done.) and Administrator's above also agree with me not being the one who instigated the issue.

Smashor's earlier comment was free of any kind of provocation that would have incited a response from you. Your comment included a provocation that would incite a response like that from any other user.

Yeah that's not the case at all AKM and we both know it, little to no user is going to go down the road of outright bashing another user and call them a bitch and fetus having someone telling them to "Try again Kiddo." once again this is a blatant example of you overreacting to something very minor in comparison. What I said doesn't dictate the responses of other users, the responses of other users is up to said user and them only.

Which only helps to escalate issues. So no, Smashor did not start it. And you should know better to provoke other users in your position as you are already on thin ice.

First of all I'm not on thin ice, I had one warning and it wasn't even a final warning so again, you can stop attempting to make me look worse than what I am.

Once again, I never advocated for a ban here...

Directly insinuating such by saying "He's on thin ice and warned multiple times."

 

[LordGinSama]

Empty words Damage, I have no reason to go after you privately so do me a solid and don't magically assume your being a victim of some type of nonexistent witch hunt, and I'm not even gonna entertain this little idea any longer until I see actual evidence.

 

[sanicspood]

All this for name calling? Jeez

 

[Purgy]

Smashor straight up calls Gin a "bitch"

Lets handwave it, give him a slap on the wrist, no biggie

Gin refers to Smashor as "kiddo"

Execute this man, such heinous crimes against humanity cannot go unpunished

I don't even care that you think a warning for Gin is adequate at this point, but the clear double standard is annoying, directly calling someone a bitch is at the very least warn worthy, first offense or not.

 

[AKM sama]

Empty words Damage, I have no reason to go after you privately so do me a solid and don't magically assume your being a victim of some type of nonexistent witch hunt, and I'm not even gonna entertain this little idea any longer until I see actual evidence.

I can provide screenshots of your talks with me on discord, and other screenshots where you admit to go after Damage once you're unbanned, but let's not go there.

I don't even care that you think a warning for Gin is adequate at this point, but the clear double standard is annoying, directly calling someone a bitch is at the very least warn worthy, first offense or not.

All Smashor needs to do is apologize to Gin as he was provoked and it was his first offense.

 

[AKM sama]

Also, let's not clutter this thread anymore. I'll leave it to the other staff members to decide what needs to be done. Comments henceforth shall be deleted.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I personally don't think that Gin has done anything bad enough to deserve a warning in this particular case, and speaking as a mid-level autistic person, I don't think that my "tribe" should adapt the trigger-happy totalitarian divisive oversensitivity that has become far too commonplace nowadays. Also, didn't Gin apologise already?

I also vaguely recall that we might have been too harsh when we banned him previously, but I handle so many tasks that I recurrently have a hard time recalling specifics.

Anyway, AKM has a point in that Gin has had a tendency to behave somewhat badly here in the past, and should preferably make a continuous effort to shape up in that regard.

 

[Nierre]

I don't think that my "tribe" should adapt the trigger-happy totalitarian divisive oversensitivity that has become far too commonplace nowadays.

Those are some big words sir

Well said nonetheless.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

and speaking as a mid-level autistic person, I don't think that my "tribe" should adapt the totalitarian divisive oversensitivity that has become far too commonplace nowadays.

Sorry not trying to clutter this thread but I didn't understand what this meant...

 

[Antvasima]

It means that I believe in the right to have free and open well-intended rational discussions without being severely punished for it by anybody who feels the slightest bit offended by what is being said. If we take that away, we end up with the entire world as a tyranny where everybody constantly walk on egg shells with everything they say, in constant fear of retribution, and I don't want my fellow autistic people to buy into and help to worsen that.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, let's return to the main topic here please.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The word Dog isn't even that bad of a slang word. But anyway, I agree both sides are at fault to some extent; one of them may have said something first, but fetus is way worse than kiddo and "Bitch" is way worse than dog. I also do acknowledge that a great multitude of minor offenses can eventually all stack together to become a major issue, but even so I don't think the current issue is too extreme. This still sounds like a both need a chill pill, and move on.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the evaluation Medeus.

 

[LordGinSama]

I can provide screenshots of your talks with me on discord, and other screenshots where you admit to go after Damage once you're unbanned, but let's not go there.

Blatant lie, me bringing up blatant issues regarding calculations isn't the same as "going after." Somebody so no AKM let's actually go there and I'd be more than willing to provide the screens my damn self. Sorry but I'm not gonna let you try to hold shit over my head mate.

All Smashor needs to do is apologize to Gin as he was provoked and it was his first offense.

Which he hasn't done. Doesn't also take away from the fact that I shouldn't be warned for such a minor offense.


Anyway dropping this all together.

 

[AKM sama]

Blatant lie, me bringing up blatant issues regarding calculations isn't the same as "going after."

Mate, I was more so referring to you calling Damage c***old and admitting that you'd downgrade a verse and use Damage's pfp as a way to get back at him. You bringing up calc matters that didn't have any real issues besides your opinion and accusing Damage of intentionally messing with calcs can be seen as an attempt to get back at him. Even though this is not the current matter at hand, you saying you have no beef with Damage is straight up lie and puts your good faith in question.

 

[LordGinSama]

Mate, I was more so referring to you calling Damage c***old and admitting that you'd downgrade a verse and use Damage's pfp as a way to get back at him.

First of all, off site offenses are irrelevant, so I fail to even see the point here, and I obviously didn't go through with that so you can buzz on outta here with that shit. Also I can guarantee you AKM I can definitely find random screens of you shit talking other users and such (such as the Bleach Fandom.) offsite but I digress

You bringing up calc matters that didn't have any real issues besides your opinion and accusing Damage of intentionally messing with calcs can be seen as an attempt to get back at him.

This is also a blatant ******* lie, as I've proved. Here's more proof from someone who literally likes Damage. Also this is again an issue with you misconstruing the dates and times of shit, I made the comment that you linked above way after I messaged you regarding the issue of calculating feats out of sheer bias.

Even though this is not the current matter at hand, you saying you have no beef with Damage is straight up lie.

Me disliking someone =/= having a beef with someone.

 

[Purgy]

He didn't say it on site so how are you going to use that against him? Or is it alright to bring up screenshots of staff members saying report worthy shit off-site such as on discord?

As for downgrading a verse and using Damage's pfp, he didn't do either of those, saying something when you're mad and actually doing it are two completely different things.

You've completely derailed the initial reason that Gin was reported for and it's honestly bordering on slander.

Feel like it also more so belongs on someones wall, unless you're actively reporting Gin for it?

 

[LordGinSama]

Honestly isn't exactly fitting for someone who's apart of the HR group either not gonna lie.

 

[azontr]

Uh, weren't we dropping this subject? Things seem to be getting out of hand and this could lead to even more severe punishments for Gin when all they had to do was chill out.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Okay, I am actually suggesting that both of you need to take a chill pill. Yes, even you, AKM.

Gin has said multiple times that he is willing to shape up, but neither of you are making things better by the constant mudslinging and the hurried comments trying to defend from said mud.

Ant already stated that this should probably slide on all sides, particularly as someone with autism himself, and I agree wholeheartedly. So, I would recommend both Gin and AKM to not comment further, nor would I recommend anyone else making any further comments on this. It is over, done, and dead in the ground now. Let us proceed with more pressing issues now, yes?

 

[Purgy]

Uh, weren't we dropping this subject? Things seem to be getting out of hand and this could lead to even more severe punishments for Gin when all they had to do was chill out.

Yes it's blowing way out of proportion and AKM Sama should have just dropped it when he was heavily outvoted on the verdict of the report instead of trying to twist it into something else.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Do not derail the Rule Violation Threads with irrelevant nonsense or internal disputes. It is solely for making serious, warranted reports of violations of the Site, Discussion, and Editing Rules, and not for discussion or side comments.

^Also this!

 

[KingTempest]

Okay, I am actually suggesting that both of you need to take a chill pill. Yes, even you, AKM.

Gin has said multiple times that he is willing to shape up, but neither of you are making things better by the constant mudslinging and the hurried comments trying to defend from said mud.

Ant already stated that this should probably slide on all sides, particularly as someone with autism himself, and I agree wholeheartedly. So, I would recommend both Gin and AKM to not comment further, nor would I recommend anyone else making any further comments on this. It is over, done, and dead in the ground now. Let us proceed with more pressing issues now, yes?

Thanks Starter.

This should be the last comment on the topic. Anything else is getting deleted. Go on with your day everybody.

 

[Antvasima]

Just a brief comment that AKM is definitely not a liar. If he has said something incorrect, it is just due to a misunderstanding on his part.

He is one of the backbones of this community. I have full faith in him.

That is all though. We should preferably end here.

 

[LordGinSama]

Can we like please stop with "being the backbone of this community." like seriously everyone especially has an equal part in this wiki's success, saying it's due to only a handful of users is very much discrediting the efforts of other user's.


The entire community is the backbone of the wiki, not just 5 users.

 

[Antvasima]

I obviously agree about that this is a team effort, and have said so repeatedly, but different people have contributed uneven amounts with the most necessary work, whether you like it or not. Also, that is an unnecessarily incendiary comment at this point.

 

[KingTempest]

We're not about to argue off of a metaphor.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. That is best. My apologies.

 

[AKM sama]

Just for clarification. My intention was not to continue this and I never claimed that action needs to be taken for insulting an admin offsite. As I stated in my earlier comment: I'd rather not go there. But

The purpose of posting that was what Gin claimed.

This comment made by Ant was made during my ban and I'm honestly not even sure why he did so whenever I've never publicly nor privately gone after Damage. Ant is known for extrapolating issues and having a bad sense of judgement from time to time, as I've never been warned nor banned due to any interaction with Damage.

He claimed he didn't know why he was warned. The reason of his warning was that offsite statement. But he acted like he didn't know what it was about.

Then he lied about having no grudges with Damage and tried calling me a liar and making it seem like I am out to get him. I don't take lightly to that stuff and won't simply sit still while Gin manipulates the narrative like that. So I thought it best for people to know the details.

With that, I have said everything I needed to say on that matter. So I'll be dropping it now.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems best if we all try hard to not let this situation deteriorate further.

 

[LordGinSama]

I'd make a comment to respond to the above since I vehemently disagree with what AKM has to say but I'll keep my peace since I'd rather not take the bait and get banned as a result.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, to return to the main topic, are you fine with trying to be more careful with the way that you express yourself in the future/being less abrasive, so you do not trigger future conflicts with other members?

 

[KingTempest]

He's leaving Ant, so that's irrelevant

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Agnaa]

@M3X Revised Jotaro's weaknesses section without a CRT. He noticed a perceived issue during this match, changed it without a CRT, and refused to make a CRT for it after being asked to.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

This user vandalized this profile

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@M3X You should have just made a thread for it, even if it's minor like this.

I don't think it's that big of a deal though considering the content but as always it's always best to run this through with others first.

 

[Arceus0x]

I've been wondering about sth.
So warnings and stuff "have no expiration date" right?
What if they are 4 years old? Do i get banned instantly for another offense or nah?

 

[AKM sama]

Quoting myself from earlier

Past behavior is taken into account for as long as the member remains here, but it can be excused/ignored a bit if something was done years ago (like we do for bans).

Depending on the severity and time, we can ignore things that someone might have done wrong years ago. We do take into account that users can grow up and become mature, especially when most of the users who join are teenagers, so it's expected of them to make mistakes when they are young. We have unbanned some users who were previously permabanned for doing something several years ago. We even considered to review Mikoto's case.

 

[Antvasima]

This user vandalized this profile

I gave a warning, and other members reverted it.

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