Piccolo was in a hurry for Gotenks to fight Buu, not to catch up to Gotenks. He even said it later when he said Gotenks has only a minute left
The scan you used doesn't prove anything. Unless there are scans missing, that scan tells us nothing
Gohan was clearly not flying at full speed throughout the entire flight. Goku was not flying at full speed either and he told Gohan not to either, as Gohan likely flied faster and started getting away from the group
Yes you did. You implied that this doesn't work because the flight speed Gohan used during the trip to fight the Androids was his top speed when it actually isn't. Gohan just accelerated and became faster before Goku told him to not go faster than their speed
Err, please don't put words in my mouth. I very clearly never said that.
No, it would still be Massively Hypersonic+. And I used 24 because that seemed the safer choice; I'm not sure if the original raws actually said "dozens" or just "several" as some fan translations have put it as. I'll see if I can get that checked.
The statement is referring to Gohan's full speed.
Okay
The statement is referring to Goku telling Gohan not to acceleate to his full speed. Not that he already did it and now he travels at full speed, as even you agree he doesn't (since when I said you said he did, you said I'm putting words in your mouth)
Okay... I think this point has run its course. It's just an additional supporting point anyway.
There's no note that says that. There's nothing suggesting they can only do it for short bursts
I can upload a video link on Imgur if y'all would like a link.
Yeah this would be great
It seems to me that a better alternative would be downgrade their combat speed in that case. (Crazy to suggest, I know)
Sure, even though they consistently scale to Relativistic speeds with combat speed as well, so you treating every feat above Hypersonic or something as an outlier doesn't work
I think it's possible we have different understandings of consistency.
I don't think that's accurate, they outspeed FTL attacks several times and that should count for their combat speed as well.
Yeah no, that's not gonna fly here for reasons that should be very obvious.
I know, it's very obvious that Dragon Ball is one of the most popular verses on here and is very resistant to change. Especially when the current ratings have been established for as long as they have.
I don't even talk about just that. There are plenty other feats regarding Goku and everyone else doing Relativistic and higher feats (Frieza destroying planets, Final Flash, Kid Buu destroying Earth, just to name a few)
Didn't we once literally have an argument about stamina ratings over MFTL+ fighters viewing seconds as akin to literal hours or even years in their perspective just because of how fast they move around?
No it's not, it came from DBS, which is canon to DBZ, and this is also how we even have the feat
Technically incorrect:
Also, considering they all fight and react so fast, wouldn't that mean that the assumed time frame would be lower? Given that at these speeds some fights can last just seconds or less (like with Goku VS Jackie Chun)
I can name two more significant fights that do this just for the sake of making the show be more dramatic.
Didn't say as much, I'm just saying arguing that the high end feats being an outlier based on them conflicting with travel speed is a tad suspect as it's not just those feats that are above the flights, there's a baffling amount, between the high ends and the flights. If the high ends become an outlier for that, everything inbetween would too by proxy. Also didn't you literally just suggest a potential combat speed downgrade for this very reason?
I suggested it because some people keep saying "Combat speed is closely linked to flight speed. Their flight speed can't be far away from their combat speed."
