Reviewing Acausality Type 5 in profile pages

[Ovy7]

Do those verses really have the statement needed?

Depends on your standards for feats. CM, for example, has the Outer Gods being changeless, yet they can still be interacted with in multiple ways. If your standard is high enough, then almost nothing would qualify.

I had a simple idea on how the new type 5 works (i.e. being beyond one system of causality and being unable to be interacted with by beings from said system), yet from reading this thread and others for the past few weeks I reached the conclusiong that I honestly no longer knows what the standards for Type 5 even are.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Ye, what I was trying to say is that not even those might qualify for this new standard

 

[ImmortalDread]

I am still waiting for an actual character that qualifies for this; otherwise, let's remove the standards. Being strict is no solution either.
The context matters; no author is obligated to be that explicit in mentioning it. They all tend to have that meaning.

 

[Vietthai96]

Most of these 1-A to 0 have Aca 5 because they have TD3 to 4 which transcended every system of the verse which also including causality, which we can find in the description of their AP, so yeah, they got the abilities automatically, some is transcended/beyond character that already have Aca 5 so they also got the ability due to upscaling

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

It was always supposed to be that way.

Well yeah, it was always rare, but it was never THIS rare, but not to the point where characters with great reasoning are having it debated, let alone removed.


At this point, Type 5 is just nigh impossible to obtain unless you transcend the entire cosmology/characters unbound by causality in it. (or at least that's how it feels to me, I don't really know)

 

[Dereck03]

Something to that affect, this isn't the thread to discuss this.

Aight, the point is that Order of Causality is a Duality in the verse and both Anos and Graham lacks and beyond Overall order, meaning they lack all of those I mentioned in the above comment.

Transduality. No clue what Type, haven't checked the results of the thread yet.

Order is duality and TD and above order is the reason, and above them is Anos and Graham, but well, we might even get something more broken than Aca 5. Sayonara and Ty.

 

[Orioreeem]

Transcendence also doesn't qualify

At this point, Type 5 is just nigh impossible to obtain unless you transcend the entire cosmology/characters in it. (or at least that's how it feels to me, I don't really know)

 

[ImmortalDread]

Well yeah, it was always rare, but it was never THIS rare, but not to the point where characters with great reasoning are having it debated, let alone removed.


At this point, Type 5 is just nigh impossible to obtain unless you transcend the entire cosmology/characters unbound by causality in it. (or at least that's how it feels to me, I don't really know)

Even this does not qualify according to the standards lol

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Well then Type 5 REALLY is impossible to obtain.

 

[Vietthai96]

The only verse i think can have Aca 5 with this new standard is possibly The Elder Scroll, since i have some knowledge of the verse (not much though)

 

[ImmortalDread]

The only verse i think can have Aca 5 with this new standard is possibly The Elder Scroll, since i have some knowledge of the verse

Any direct statement of interaction + the connection to cause and effect? Drop scans or justification. For more info: The statement should look like this:

"We can't interact with them at all. They are outside this world, unbound by the chains of cause and effect."

And no need to try about context, it seems it will be ignored anyways.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The only verse i think can have Aca 5 with this new standard is possibly The Elder Scroll, since i have some knowledge of the verse (not much though)

Care to explain why? So we can get an idea of what could possibly have it

 

[AKUTO123]

No citations at all, and sounds rather vague even then for the purposes of the new criteria

probably coming from void body. It is stated that void body completely transcends causality.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

probably coming from void body. It is stated that void body completely transcends causality.

That doesn't qualify at all tho

 

[Vietthai96]

Care to explain why? So we can get an idea of what could possibly have it

Aka

Aka is the Dragon God of Time and the King of the Et'Ada. He is the Soul of Anui-El and the opposite counterpart to the Missing God of Change, Lorkhan, the Soul of Sithis. Their simultaneous birth gave shape to the primordial chaos, and was what allowed the Et'Ada to crystallize and erupt from...

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Something like this:

Acausality (Type 5. Aka personifies a fractured, non-linear concept of time in which all events are always happening simultaneously in spite of contradictions,[9][6] with phenomena participating in it being as such unbound by cause, duration, consequence and eventuality,[15][16] and the very lives of the Gods being described as unable to support most of the qualities of a narrative due to that.[1] Can access fully static states of existence outside of Aurbic Time, in which all of his actions occur eternally and continuously, even when, from a linear perspective, they are already long accomplished[17]), Existence Erasure (The Et'Ada are stated to be capable of submitting othe spirits to "sithite erasure."[17]

 

[ImmortalDread]

Lorkhan

Vehk's Teaching "We pledge ourselves to you, the Frame-maker, the Scarab: a world for us to love you in, a cloak of dirth to cherish. Betrayed by your ancestors when you were not even looking. Hoary Magnus and his ventured opinions cannot sway the understated, a trick worthy of the always...

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Acausality (Type 5. Gods of Lorkhan's ken are completely beyond linear time and reside in a state where all events are always happening simultaneously,[5][6] being as such unbound by cause, duration, consequence and eventuality,[7][8] with their lives being described as unable to support most of the qualities of a narrative.[1] Can access fully static states of existence outside of Aurbic Time, in which all of his actions occur eternally and continuously, even when, from a linear perspective, they are already long accomplished[9]

This does not qualify at all. This can be removed.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Aka

Aka is the Dragon God of Time and the King of the Et'Ada. He is the Soul of Anui-El and the opposite counterpart to the Missing God of Change, Lorkhan, the Soul of Sithis. Their simultaneous birth gave shape to the primordial chaos, and was what allowed the Et'Ada to crystallize and erupt from...

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Something like this:

Sorry but this also does not qualify, no mention of interaction at all.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Magnus (The Elder Scrolls)

Magnus is the God of Magic, and one of the Et'Ada who were subcreated by the simultaneous birth of Aka and Lorkhan, and contributed in shaping and giving structure to the formless cacophony that was the Aurbis. However, unlike the other Et'Ada, Magnus is just as fundamental as Aka and Lorkhan...

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Acausality (Type 5. Gods of Magnus' ken are completely beyond linear time and reside in a state where all events are always happening simultaneously,[5][6] being as such unbound by cause, duration, consequence and eventuality,[7][8] with their lives being described as unable to support most of the qualities of a narrative[1])

This does not qualify as well. No mention of interaction.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Trinimac

Trinimac is an Altmeri God worshipped by the earliest Aldmer of the Merethic Era, having been the warrior spirit who led the tribes of the Old Ehlnofey against Lorkhan's forces during the War of Manifest Metaphors in the Dawn Era. Of all the Et’Ada who wandered the Aurbis at this time, Trinimac...

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All previous powers and abilities on an immensely greater scale, as well as: Acausality (Type 5. Gods of Trinimac's ken are completely beyond linear time and reside in a state where all events are always happening simultaneously,[7][13] being as such unbound by cause, duration, consequence and eventuality,[14][15] with their lives being described as unable to support most of the qualities of a narrative.[1] Can access fully static states of existence outside of Aurbic Time, in which all of his actions occur eternally and continuously, even when, from a linear perspective, they are already long accomplished[16])

This also does not qualify for acc type 5 new standards. No mention of interaction statements

 

[AKUTO123]

actually it is appropriate. void body does not exceed causality in a single layer , it is the end of everything in general void body is independent and separate from all possible time and cannot be related to causality and is beyond it .

 

[ImmortalDread]

Aka

Aka is the Dragon God of Time and the King of the Et'Ada. He is the Soul of Anui-El and the opposite counterpart to the Missing God of Change, Lorkhan, the Soul of Sithis. Their simultaneous birth gave shape to the primordial chaos, and was what allowed the Et'Ada to crystallize and erupt from...

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All previous powers and abilities on an immensely greater scale, as well as Acausality (Type 5. Aka personifies a fractured, non-linear concept of time in which all events are always happening simultaneously in spite of contradictions,[9][6] with phenomena participating in it being as such unbound by cause, duration, consequence and eventuality,[15][16] and the very lives of the Gods being described as unable to support most of the qualities of a narrative due to that.[1] Can access fully static states of existence outside of Aurbic Time, in which all of his actions occur eternally and continuously, even when, from a linear perspective, they are already long accomplished[17

This does not qualify either, no mention of interaction statements at all

 

[ImmortalDread]

actually it is appropriate. void body does not exceed causality in a single layer , it is the end of everything in general void body is independent and separate from all possible time and cannot be related to causality and is beyond it .

Still does not qualify. No mention of interaction statements.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Padomay

Padomay (Originally known by the unpronounceable name PSJJJJ) is the unconscious and disembodied Concept of Change, and the mirror-opposite of Anu, the featureless Concept of Stasis. It is the quintessential force of chaos and creation, with all possibility, shape and definition being born from...

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Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 2), Abstract Existence (Type 1), Transduality (Type 2), Large Size (Type 11), Incorporeality, Acausality (Type 5), Reality Warping, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Law Manipulation, Void Manipulation, Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Types 1, 2, 3 and 4)

No justification should be changed or removed

 

[ImmortalDread]

Anu

Anu is the unconscious and featureless Concept of Stasis, and the mirror-opposite of Padomay, the disembodied Concept of Change. It is the quintessential force of order and stability, with all possibility, shape, and definition being born from its interplay with Padomay, which acts as the...

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Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 2), Abstract Existence (Type 1), Transduality (Type 3), Large Size (Type 11), Incorporeality, Acausality (Type 5), Reality Warping, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Law Manipulation

Same as Padomay: No justification. Should be removed or changed

 

[Regidian]

Dread you try to much you know not need to be this salty without offense.

 

[Ovy7]

Why not just edit your main post with these profiles instead of spamming the thread with 6 other posts?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

"no interaction statement"

this shouldn't even really matter unless their actually interacted with, unless it's by other Type 5's.

 

[ImmortalDread]

"no interaction statement"

this shouldn't even matter unless their actually interacted with, unless it's by other Type 5

This is how our new standards work. I am really aware, all profiles should logically have acc type 5. But if the new standards say, mentioning interaction is a must, those do not qualify again.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Why not just edit your main post with these profiles instead of spamming the thread with 6 other posts?

My bad (I really go over 40 profiles to search for justification), and if I did with one post, it would be a long wall. But again, if this solves.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

My bad (I really go over 40 profiles to search for justification), and if I did with one post, it would be a long wall. But again, if this solves.

What about a character with TD 3? Could they gain aca 5 through TD 3?

 

[Regidian]

What about a character with TD 3? Could they gain aca 5 through TD 3?

You need to ask everything

 

[AKUTO123]

I used to think that type 4 is above a certain system of causality and type 5 is beyond all causal systems. i.e. the characters don't have any interaction anti feat anyway, I can't say anything if there is a need for an expression that cannot be interacted specifically.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What about a character with TD 3? Could they gain aca 5 through TD 3?

nope

 

[ImmortalDread]

I used to think that type 4 is above a certain system of causality and type 5 is beyond all causal systems. i.e. the characters don't have any interaction anti feat anyway, I can't say anything if there is a need for an expression that cannot be interacted specifically.

I actually said that exact argument on the first page. But I got the response that the interaction statements need to be mentioned anyway.

 

[Rikimarox2]

These new standards suck massive dick tbh.

Like what ******* series will say "Oh lul, you see im above cause and effect so your attacks will never affect me BECAUSE I am above cause and effect LMAO"

Till now, I haven't seen a single series qualify for type 5.

 

[Regidian]

These new standards suck massive dick tbh.

Like what ******* series will say "Oh lul, you see im above cause and effect so your attacks will never affect me BECAUSE I am above cause and effect LMAO"

Till now, I haven't seen a single series qualify for type 5.

Well we have a character that have a similiar quote in fate, but i'm not sure if this qualify as type 5

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

These new standards suck massive dick tbh.

Like what ******* series will say "Oh lul, you see im above cause and effect so your attacks will never affect me BECAUSE I am above cause and effect LMAO"

Till now, I haven't seen a single series qualify for type 5.

This is legit what I've been trying to say.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

You need to ask everything

You are right.
At this point, I'm seriously curious about what kind of character could gain it now.
NEP is Better for Incon.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, tier 0 is rare, doesn't mean we'll make it more lenient, for instance.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I'm reading this thread. Amd I was thinking...



Basically.... if a profile list TD, BDE, HDE, NEP, AE type 1. Or some other incorporal existence.



Your not getting Type 5 Acausality because the "well they can't be interacted with" will just shift from Acausality to some other ability of those other types.



Effectively making it the hardest ability to get on the wiki, and it's no longer an NLF super Invulnerability hax that protects you from smurf abilities either.



So if a character has 6D type 4 Acausality. It suddenly becomes >>>> type 5 Acausality. This contradicts what type 5 Acausality is and is supposed to be. To my understanding and knowledge*