Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Not sure, I'd at least like to get the opinions of every staff who commented here and thought indexing layered/smurf hax was a good idea.
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Request for Indexing Hax Layering/Smurf Hax on Profiles
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Scottycj256
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i prefer P&A over putting it anywhere else
FantaRin_The_First
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I am of the opinion of listing them in the P&A section.
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Whatever everyone prefers.
Arkenis
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Um are you saying detailing makes profiles suck?
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P&A focus only = only focusing on the P&A section, makes detailing profiles suck imo
Don’t appreciate twisting my words to fit any narratives, in my opinion
Don’t appreciate twisting my words to fit any narratives, in my opinion
Arkenis
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Im sorry then Im just confused, wdym by detailing then?
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Layers is complicated by concept. You need to describe why and how a character have, say, 5 layers of ability potency or resistance to and operates at a certain dimensionality. P&A does not have the room for how complicated these descriptions/explanations would take to write.
And such, if your character is, say, a mad scientist that operates at different levels of dimensionality, may take a lot writing for P&A to handle.
Arkenis
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Could put it in the verse page notes and link that on the profile. I was thinking about it a while ago, Verses have stuff like "Addition Scaling" and then it goes off to say "all 6-B scales to 200 teratons". Could have that type of thing but instead labled as the layer differences so like this:Layers is complicated by concept. You need to describe why and how a character have, say, 5 layers of ability potency or resistance to and operates at a certain dimensionality. P&A does not have the room for how complicated these descriptions/explanations would take to write.
And if your character is a mad scientist…
1 Layer: (name the characters and give a summary for how they all scale) and so on.
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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I massively prefer having them in the P&A section. Much more readable, much more easily accessible, and much more easily comparable and used in Versus Threads.
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I'd vote with explanation segment or P&A. Though i think it is better to say what dimension it is in superiority rather than putting tiers jargon like 1-C and 1-B
Making CRT on layers for character is gonna give me headache
Making CRT on layers for character is gonna give me headache
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I think either the explanations section or P&A would work best.
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I think the same way.
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Why have you not listed DontTalk, me, and any others here who support listing such information more elaborately in standard explanation sections further down the pages?
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Standard Format for Character Profiles
When there are multiple versions of a character that are distinct enough to be split into several profiles, whether it is due to the length and complexity of the page or versions from different mediums, then the multiple pages that are created as a result of this have to be linked by a tabber...
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Hi yes sorry, I was busy responding to another thread. I usually don't add people to votes retroactively, since I don't know if their opinions have changed, and this goes for people on all sides of an argument. However, since you're asserting that you and DT support using the optional explanation system, I'll put you both there. I would still like updated input from people who commented here before, though.
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Seems 10 people agreed on P&A, can we apply it finally?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Nah, that's including non-staff, only one staff agreed to using the P&A section.
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Oh I forget Staff opinion valued more
azontr
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Nobody said you considered yourselves higher-beings, Ant. Staff opinions are objectively valued more, especially in the case of policy changes, nobody was trying to spite or insult the staff's authority. We know how the system works.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Also, since the topic of verse-specific P&A has come up recently, this poses another problem for using the NA/T/explanations section over the P&A section for indexing. The idea of a verse-specific P&A is to take something that requires a lot of explanation and place it in a single blog, meaning that specific ability generally isn't indexed on a character's profile (save for the P&A section). So if an instance of verse-specific P&A is layered or has smurf potency, it would specifically need to be noted in the P&A section so as not to be redundant with the verse-specific ability page itself.
Also, since the topic of verse-specific P&A has come up recently, this poses another problem for using the NA/T/explanations section over the P&A section for indexing. The idea of a verse-specific P&A is to take something that requires a lot of explanation and place it in a single blog, meaning that specific ability generally isn't indexed on a character's profile (save for the P&A section). So if an instance of verse-specific P&A is layered or has smurf potency, it would specifically need to be noted in the P&A section so as not to be redundant with the verse-specific ability page itself.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Bump
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So which staff members and honorary staff members think what here exactly?
The bureaucrats here seem to agree about that it is better to include specific verse-related information about these types of issues in explanation sections further down the pages, rather than try to apply such standards in a too generic sense, in any case.
The bureaucrats here seem to agree about that it is better to include specific verse-related information about these types of issues in explanation sections further down the pages, rather than try to apply such standards in a too generic sense, in any case.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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This is the list of staff members and regular members and which options they prefer. More input is obviously appreciated.
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Thank you for the information.
Anyway, I am afraid that staff members have the final say regarding what is accepted, and bureaucrats have a considerably stronger vote than usual regarding important site policy changes.
Anyway, I am afraid that staff members have the final say regarding what is accepted, and bureaucrats have a considerably stronger vote than usual regarding important site policy changes.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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I mean, only 4 staff members in total have commented on what they prefer. Seems to be a very small sample size for a policy change, if you ask me.
We would still need further discussion on how to specifically implement DT's proposal, as there are some potential issues that need to be taken care of first (like my post regarding verse-specific P&A, above).
We would still need further discussion on how to specifically implement DT's proposal, as there are some potential issues that need to be taken care of first (like my post regarding verse-specific P&A, above).
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The purpose of Verse-specific P&A is to avoid repeating the same similar long list of abilities to multiple profiles and avoid bloating. if you have to specify the potency of said hax within it basically defeats the purpose because you'll be describing them again. Hence, I believe it's best that those are best left in the optional explanation rather than P&A especially if all the abilities within the Verse specific ability do not possess similar layers or dimensionality. since this will be optional rather than mandatory I would do so in optional explanation pages rather than P&A section
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Going with this
Unconventional Abilities normally get explained in the section to a degree of potency..an example would be Yamamoto's "Heat Manipulation: Aizen has dimensional travel capabilities, while in Bankai the level of Ryujin Jakka's heat dramatically increases, reaching the monstrous temperature of 15,000,000 Degree Celsius"
So specifications of the layers in reference to the Unconventional ability should be applied same
Also it'll be easy to spot and attack to the ability itself for reference
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@DontTalkDT
I know that you have considerably more important tasks on your to-do list, but if you find the time at some point, can you explain your suggested solution here please? I can summon more staff members afterwards.
Fujiwara, and other people here: I am afraid that you will have to try to be very patient if you want anything to happen here.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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I'm aware I need to be patient. I simply want each option discussed thoroughly so there are no issues with implementing it.
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I stated my opinion very clearly on this, I believe layers to hax should be listed and I prefer it in the P/A section. Though for profiles which have an Explanation section, I would be fine with it being there instead.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Bump
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I’d say place it in the P/A section but explanation section is fine if they have it for that ability
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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My apologies if I am being blunt, but I think that two bureaucrats making a decision about using explanation sections for this purpose, combined with several other staff members saying that they are fine with this solution, should be enough, if you want anything to happen here at all.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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If that's all it takes for a clearly preferred option to be shot down, then fine, whatever.
I'm a little busy with other things at the moment, so if someone could make a draft of an example page that uses this format, that would obviously be helpful.
I'm a little busy with other things at the moment, so if someone could make a draft of an example page that uses this format, that would obviously be helpful.
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