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A Question on Matter Manipulation Layers

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Alright I have a question on this scenario. Let's say there's a verse in this verse a basic power of it is people have "Deconstruction Hax" on the level to where they can completely destroy all neutrons and protons with an attack (I'll double repeat yes it's via hax, so I guess it's on a "Sub-Atomic level"). It is shown that people can resist their own "Deconstruction Hax" and when someone gets stronger it allows their "Deconstruction Hax" to bypass another person's "Deconstruction Hax" resistance that's well weaker then them. Getting stronger makes the Hax stronger same with their own resistance. This is shown time and time again, where you can argue like 40+ "layers" or something really high for some of the more powerful characters

Now what would a person get if they suddenly become literally infinitely stronger and yes the infinitely stronger applies to all abilities as well in potency. I ask this because if this was a question on fire manipulation and its temperature increases, this would be infinite temperature in fire. I do knowledge this would also give infinite layers if this was like Mind Destruction Hax. However here I'm not sure considering it's well on the subject of matter, would it be infinite layers or something else?
 
Yes and no, if the enemy's resistance is the same as Subatomic but your character has those feats then, he could pass any resistance at sub-atomic level

Now, if the enemy's resistance is quantum, it's not because of the level of complexity, that's why the lower a person's resistance level to ICE Hax, the layers don't matter, you can't freeze someone who can resist a cold below 0K without your feats, besides the declarations of being stronger, don't give any indication of working at that level, is like kind some form of "Pseudo Smurf" for stuff related to matter hax, while more smaller you can effect, more powerful is your matter manip
 
Now what would a person get if they suddenly become literally infinitely stronger and yes the infinitely stronger applies to all abilities as well in potency. I ask this because if this was a question on fire manipulation and its temperature increases, this would be infinite temperature in fire. I do knowledge this would also give infinite layers if this was like Mind Destruction Hax. However here I'm not sure considering it's well on the subject of matter, would it be infinite layers or something else?
Can you elaborate on what "Potency" means here? Is it like the hax getting more destructive in range [like going from building level to a higher tier] {case A} or increasing potency in how fundamentally it manipulates matter [like going from sub-atomic to a deeper level] {Case B}?

The fire manipulation stuff is not a good example here, since layers in that hax work pretty differently then just an "increase in temperature".
However, in your specific case regarding matter manipulation, if it's Case A, and it's clearly shown that each time a character "gets stronger" [by a finite amount], their hax becomes more layered, then yes, a being that gets stronger by an infinite extent would technically have an infinite layered hax, since they'll have to surpass their own resistance at each point of being weaker. Here's how:

First, from the OP, it seems the characters are resistant to their own deconstruction hax. So first, we go with an assumption analogy to explain it. If we consider a character that has an infinite reactive evolution, insofar as that it surpasses itself over and over in an infinite loop, then we can conclude that:
  1. At a state "A", they would have X layers of hax.
  2. At a state "B"[where B > A], they would have X+1 layers of hax, since it should be able to bypass the resistance of its state A.
  3. At a state "C"[where C > B], they would have an X+2 layers of hax,since it should be able to bypass the resistance of its state B.
This would continue infinitely, so infinite layers there.
But if a character gets stronger infinitely at once, that's fine too, it's just that he's skipping the step by step process, but the working is still the same.
However, if its Case B, then no, there won't be any layers.

Note that, I said all this while noting your own words that "when someone gets stronger it allows their "Deconstruction Hax" to bypass another person's 'Deconstruction Hax' resistance"
 
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