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It honestly shouldnt mater regardless since we do in fact have him dodging a few of those lasers as pointed out above.
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Removal of the Naruto Retsuden laser justification
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That's what I calculated.
I meant to upscale all characters that scale to that feat. Thing is closer to baseline, casual feat, etc.
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But that's not what I'm talking about, the calculation considers that he did all the 55 degree movement before the laser crossed the distance between Madara's mouth and Naruto's face, but he doesn't need to make a big move for that and since we cannot see how much he moved in relation to the beam, the right thing would be to find the minimum movement for him to avoid the beam.
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Which seem like outliers or misinterpretations.
It's stated that he's been reduced to a general humans level of combat power and it's also stated that falling debris could kill him, that seems a lot more consistent to me than Base Naruto with no chakra dodging light.
So unless you're willing to argue that Konoha no named fodder are FTL, I don't see how you can genuinely believe this.
As for light fang and upscaling to FTL, I see no problem with it.
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Only Jigen with karma and Isshiki should upscale currently, Code would just scale above Delta due to being her superior as stated.
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This was only a rumor perpetrated by the public, who have no idea what they're talking about.
He also shattered a meteor, which I doubt "the general populace" can replicate.
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Its not a misinterpretation. As pointed out above by M3X.
Naruto isnt a no name fodder though, and said things about him being weakened to human levels was something the general populace thought, which is obviously not the case. Maybe he was weakened enough to be killed by boulders but clearly some of his superhumaness was retained.
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Before? If it were before, there would be no speed involved. It is during. If we take the anime and see what happened, Naruto only dodged the laser when he was about to cut his staff. The minimum distance to deflect the laser would be half of Naruto's face, but why use the minimum, if that's not what happened?
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Is there any justification for Isshiki scales above war Naruto Rikudō's feat? Wasn't there a quote from Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be downgraded in the new era?
Does anyone have any justification or proof that Isshiki is faster than Kaguya, Madara? or Naruto Rikudō of war and Sasuke Rinnegan of war?
Does anyone have any justification or proof that Isshiki is faster than Kaguya, Madara? or Naruto Rikudō of war and Sasuke Rinnegan of war?
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Can you link the post please? I can't find it.
It's stated that his power was reduced to a no named fodder, even if it's a rumor, it's supported by the fact that falling debris is stated to be able to kill him, so it's clearly true.
Also, why are we acting like Naruto being unable to use chakra wouldn't massively affect his speed? Naruto characters get speed boosts alonside chakra boosts and even in the Haku thread, several people were arguing Haku's speed would be reduced due to having low chakra.
Regardless, Kaguya's profile literally lists her getting exponentially stronger via gaining an exponential amount of chakra, the same would be true in reverse for Naruto, getting exponentially slower due to being unable to use chakra.
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Obviously it is during, but your calculation uses the distance between Madara's mouth and Naruto's face, I don't understand why you are using the anime where the prey comes close to the stick, and you didn't even use it in your calculation.
But as I said, Naruto doesn't need a 55 degree movement to avoid this.
We know that Naruto avoided this by moving his entire torso (0.83 meters) to the right, that is, a 20 degree movement would be more than enough for him to avoid this before the thing hit his head, since the beam was super thin ( 20 degrees being a high ball).
In the calculation you consider 55 degrees being that this was all the movement of Naruto after the prey passed him and Madara still move to try to cut his neck.
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@Qawsedf234 What do you think?
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Yes, even if we use the anime, you cannot say how much Naruto has moved compared to the prey, so we must consider enough that he will get out of crosshair of the prey.
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I get that perspective is a bit off, but Naruto moved before the beam went from just outside the staff to Naruto's face.
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The pixelscaling for the method 1 is wrong as ****, the method 2 was suggested by @AlexSoloVaAlFuturo when he was a CGM. Kaguya, yeah. What aboout Jigen and Isshiki? Both of them trashed on Naruto and Sasuke together. He even vanished from Naruto's eye and Sasuke's Dojutsus.
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Yes yes, if we can use the anime, it will be better.
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Yeah, I commented about it before you did.
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I can attest to this, Naruto starts ducking after the beam smacks his staff, before it does Naruto just moves his head upwards a tiny bit if you go frame-by-frame, but the actual ducking happens much later, where we see his head bends downwards.
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I agree, Method 1 is more or less botched since the manga panels there where Naruto ducks are skewed to oblivion and at an incredibly-severe angle. Best option is to take the anime for the movement part, which more or less shows the feat in a similar fashion. Since Method 2 was advised by Alex, I believe that's the step we should take.
As for the distance between Madara's mouth and Naruto's face, you can just use the manga panel after you adjust it to line up to Madara's heel.
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where does this come from?
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I hate to be the skunk at the garden party, but.......
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He continues to have the same problem of considering a movement much larger than he really needed.
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When I made the suggestion to create the thread - and the thread itself - I said it was just about Momoshiki being above Kaguya, based on baseless statements. It had nothing to do with speed. There is no reason to assume that Naruto or Sasuke have become slower.
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I'm still waiting you to prove the movement is higher than what is should be.
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The character has weakening after "losing chakra" means that his stamina is decreasing. The lower the amount of stamina, the weaker the character gets, and if it reaches 0, he can die, there is nothing strange.
Is mentioned in the fight with Orochimaru that Naruto knows that he would not be able to use ninjutsu, so he he fought with Orochimaru using only taijutsu, and as I mentioned there, there is no need for chakra to use taijutsu.
Regarding the wreckage, it is mentioned in the manga that there is no need for chakra to use taijutsu, but in some cases it is used, in the case of gates, they release an enormous amount of chakra in the body, which simply because it is running through the the user's body already makes him extremely physically stronger, so if Naruto was extremely weaker than his base form with 100% health, it is because it is being considered that he uses chakra in his base form to expand his stats during fights. Being crushed by the wreckage has nothing to do with speeding feats. I do not remember if "anti-feats" in durability can interfere in speed feats...
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We have two options
Manga Calc
Manga Calc
- Use the distance between Naruto and Madara
- Use the degree value to calc Naruto's movement
- Use the distance between Naruto and his staff
- Calc the movement Naruto did via pixelscaling
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Add this for Ashura Avatar Naruto and Indra Susano'o Sasuke. Isshiki, Jigen and Baryon Mode Naruto should get "At least" and "far higher", since we have some FTE chains here.
It's better to wait, we don't know much about them.
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Not true, even if we take the anime into account he moves his head fully downwards in a 90-degree arc. And then comes the fact that now in the anime you need to determine the distance between the beam and Naruto's face.
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