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Rematch of the Millennia - Novel Kars vs Yhwach

Yobobojojo said:
That's NLF.
Uh.. that's not what NlF means
> Character didn't show he can copy a power that is not a stand.

> You say he can copy something that is not a stand because he can just copy powers.

Yep. NLF (No limit Fallacy)
 
You mean like Almighty negating stands?

We've given enough evidence for why Kars can copy. So long as you are a organism he can copy you, that's the limit
 
Genericstickman said:
Kars was able to copy Dune which isn't a stand
You do know that; While his ability resembles a Stand it's explicitly different? Is still considered a Bound Stand type of power. Bound Stands are Stands are linked to material objects such as vehicles or dolls unlike human Stands or artificial Stands.

That doesn't even qualify as Unique to it's own race since is attached to an object like how Fullbring powers work.

Stands are also similar to Reiatsu when it takes physical form. Not convince, at best he could copy the ability to use Reiatsu and Fullbring powers that are attached to a persons object to be usuable.
 
Just read Soundman's profile. Dune is a Bound that he obtained through having an affinity for sand since he was young. Bounds act like Stands but are explicitly different. Kars copied it and made it his own.
 
The point still remains that the moment the fight starts and Kars is on the ground from the sheer pressure of Yhwach's presence, D4CU and BtD would already activate and save Kars. Also we're forgetting that C-Moon can just gravity manip Kars back up or bring Yhwach down with Kars.

Also Yhwach has no direct counter to MiHU
 
Sir Ovens said:
The point still remains that the moment the fight starts and Kars is on the ground from the sheer pressure of Yhwach's presence, D4CU and BtD would already activate and save Kars. Also we're forgetting that C-Moon can just gravity manip Kars back up or bring Yhwach down with Kars.
Also Yhwach has no direct counter to MiHU
C-Moon Gravity is below Yhwach reiatsu tier Gravity field. It won't help. Yhwach counter to MiHU will be stop the fight before it even happens because of Precognition, Kars won't got for MiHU as soon as the battle starts.
 
This is still going?

And it's not hard to understand what a stand is.

Lmfao. Dude can survive 37 universal resets, but you believe Yhwachs reiatsu will put him to the ground? Right lol.

As for this battle. Kars understands. As said above, even if he DOES manage to kill Kars D4C won't let it happen. And people thinking Yhwach can just avoid BTD and D4C. Lol.

Lephyr already said it above. Kars copies and gains resistances out the ass. Proceeds to blow Yhwach up for the rest of his days. Inb4 Almighty stops it. Yeah, cause almighty is stopping Yhwach from exploding.

>Yhwach is immune to the effects of The Almighty. Funny you say that cause Dio was immune to timestop yet he got timestopped by Kars.

And that arrow nonsense? Lmao, I dunno how much longer you plan on downplaying Kars like he didn't dodge things in stopped time.
 
And that existence erasure isn't important since D4C and KQ don't need him in order to exist.


Now, explain to me what Yhwach is going to do against Kars version of the Almighty? Nothing at all cause it's not going to be the same ability.

Next, you seem to really believe reiatsu crushing Kars would work. Pucci punched Kars with whitesnake and he understood it right then and there. Yhwach "rei crushes' him and Kars literally understands the concept of reiatsu and is standing in a millisecond.
 
AppleLord said:
Yobobojojo said:
That's NLF.
Uh.. that's not what NlF means
> Character didn't show he can copy a power that is not a stand.

> You say he can copy something that is not a stand because he can just copy powers.

Yep. NLF (No limit Fallacy)

Cept, he literally copied a concept.

Kars can understand concepts and reiatsu certainly is not a concept that is past him.

Lol I love this argument like "Conceptual understanding" isn't in there.
 
Stands and reiatsu are the same?

Where do you get such an idea?

And as said, Kars wouldn't need to break out MIH for Yhwach.

And if he did Yhwach quite literally dies. What's he gonna do? Imagine the universe isn't erased? Nah, he's done.
 
And you're saying Yhwach can copy stands? That's fine since he'd explode the moment he tried just like Joji did.

And even if he didn't much like Kira he'd convince the stand to leave Yhwach and come to him just like Killer Queen.
 
Going to have to vote for Kars.

His various haxes can be used together to overcome Almighty and other stuff Yhwach has.

Also, FRA
 
AppleLord said:
> Character didn't show he can copy a power that is not a stand.

> You say he can copy something that is not a stand because he can just copy powers.

Yep. NLF (No limit Fallacy)
What part of conceptual understanding do you not get?

  • Conceptual Understanding: If Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability that he has not seen or been able to used, it takes just a little exposure before he "understands" this concept and is capable of using it as his own, usually far beyond the capabilities of the person or source of the concept. This is how he gained so many Stands within the story.
 
Not my intention to be a dick, but where is this Kars "conceptual stuff" come from? Learning from the previous experience, his profile is well....wonky.

Can anyone provdes me the quote about his power mimicry being said as "conceptual"?
 
Understanding "concepts" doesn't mean much as most things are concepts like names and etc.

But if you play that way Yhwach has actual feat of nullifying conceptual hax,that revolves around the concept of name,by simply understanding it.
 
What you just said made no sense,how does he develope resistance to something that has nothing to do with attacks on him.The point is Yhwach has reactive evolution and it works instanteously in conjuction to his Almighty.
 
How is Kars "understanding" something he has no knowledge off because of Yhwach's resistance to his own Almighty by Mimihagi power? Yhwach doesn't need to survive MiH, he just needs to end the fight before it happens. The comment trying to debunk me are funny since they make no sense. Even trying to implied that I said that Yhwach would survive MiH.

Kars Tier is below Yhwach's, reiatsu therefore comes into play and his hax gets nullify all together. Yes, Yhwach can even negate hax that negates hax he has done it on a Conceptual level.

Yhwach FRA.
 
AppleLord said:
How is Kars "understanding" something he has no knowledge off because of Yhwach's resistance to his own Almighty by Mimihagi power? Yhwach doesn't need to survive MiH, he just needs to end the fight before it happens. The comment trying to debunk me are funny since they make no sense. Even trying to implied that I said that Yhwach would survive MiH.

Kars Tier is below Yhwach's, reiatsu therefore comes into play and his hax gets nullify all together. Yes, Yhwach can even negate hax that negates hax he has done it on a Conceptual level.

Yhwach FRA.
No, Yhwach can not negate tier 2 copy with out proof
 
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