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Rematch of the Millennia - Novel Kars vs Yhwach
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Also, there's literally nothing on Yhwach's profile about reiatsu passively negging powers.
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Idk where that comes from,that's Applelord argument but my arguments were all based off the profiles,besides he has powernull of his own.
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The Reiatsu argument which is on the profile are the things that can happened to someone weaker or lacking in soul manipulation resistance which can range from paralysis to disintegration of the body and soul destruction.
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Define everything
Because Kars has vastly lower AP, and none of his abilities are higher dimensional in and of themselves.
I don't see why the Almighty's negation wouldn't work on them.
Because Kars has vastly lower AP, and none of his abilities are higher dimensional in and of themselves.
I don't see why the Almighty's negation wouldn't work on them.
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The Almighty is capable of nullifying Conceptual Manipulation ability of Ichibe who can manipulate the metaphysical concept of name.Unless Kars has 4-D power I see no reason why can't nullify any of things he does.
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Im not going to comment on the match itself but im only going to point out this.MachTwo said:
Controlling all darkness in the universe =/= conceptual level. Like at all. This is no-where near enough to grant conceptual manipulation over darkness and im surprised its taken this long to notice. If other verses where there are those who even embody concepts and manipulate what they embody don't get conceptual level hax, this definitely isn't going to cut it.
I'll probably make a CRT about this and other of Yhwach stuff later so its not too much of a derail, but this needed to be said.
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It actually has,Ichibe erased the name Yhwach thus his metaphysical self and he became "Black Ant",Yhwach activated Almighty and restored himself back as "Yhwach".
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Ichibe Darkness manipulation isn't conceptual manipulation..it's his other power that grants him dominion over all things black.
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Yeah that still doesn't seem like conceptual manipulation to me but again, i'll likely make a CRT about some of Yhwach's stuff and take it there.
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What are you talking about how is manipulating the concept of name not conceptual manipulation of name,you do realize names themselves are a concept right?
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Actually names would fall under ideas.
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We don't have a page on idea manipulation though. If not concept manip, what would we call it?
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And what would manipulating the "idea" of names be as a power?
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Take it to a CRT, not here.
For now, Ichibei has concept manip listed
For now, Ichibei has concept manip listed
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Yhwach never show to power null sand manipulation therefore he cannot power null sand manipulation, even when his power is literally to negate anything that he can understand and on top of that he has feats to negate concept hax, power null, causality manip and existence erasure.Yobobojojo said:
He himself can to grant many hax to his Sternritter such as causality manip, probability manip, multiple durability negation hax, Intangibility who untouchable by people who can interract with non corporeal entity, reality warping who can created new life from with Physical and Mental Nonexistence, his other creation has similar regen to Gerard, and on top of that no one here say he can negate absolutely all power including 5737 Dimensional concept hax which is ridiculous because no one in bleach has ability that is close to that level. But if it only 3D hax from someone who is vastly weaker than he is? why not? He has more than enough feats to negate most of 3D Hax, especially from much weaker entity.
If anything Kars is the one who been wanked in here because ppl say he has Tier 2 AP and 4D hax where in reality he don't have neither Tier 2 AP or 4D hax, and most of Kars vote and argument is based on this wank.
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Kars does have Tier 2 AP though.
It just comes as an event that is a natural consequence of one of his abilities rather than outright power.
It just comes as an event that is a natural consequence of one of his abilities rather than outright power.
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AP=Attack Potency. The potency part is important.
the ability or capacity to achieve or bring about a particular result-
According to the merriam webster dictionary.
So with one of Kars' abilities is potent enough to cause a Low 2-C event.
Therefore, he has Low 2-C AP.
AP isn't always raw power or strength. It's quite literally just how potent you and or abilities are, which happens to include raw power and strength. Hence why Kars' Striking Strength is MUCH lower then his AP.
the ability or capacity to achieve or bring about a particular result-
According to the merriam webster dictionary.
So with one of Kars' abilities is potent enough to cause a Low 2-C event.
Therefore, he has Low 2-C AP.
AP isn't always raw power or strength. It's quite literally just how potent you and or abilities are, which happens to include raw power and strength. Hence why Kars' Striking Strength is MUCH lower then his AP.
Well Kars have really few win conditions, from how I see it he have these, but are unlikely to work:
And well he could also run to another world with D4CU and keep sending others Kars with it until either understanding Yhwach or finding a way to defeat him, or if Kira is present for KQ then he could trigger a manual BTD to time travel to the past.
I could also try to provide scans of everything above if needed.
- BFR Yhwach with either D4CU or a disc with a modified MIHUR.
- Try to paradox Yhwach with D4CU
- For Yhwach to say his name and become a bomb via the automatic BTD of KQ, something important of this is that unlike the canon KQ where he atomized people the automatic BTD of this KQ actually transforms you in a bomb and can be negated if you stop the explosion from even happening like standing in a void, I must also add that this automatic use does not have the feat of time traveling to the past, only the manual one does.
- For Yhwach to try to understand his Stands and having his body explode.
- Force the above using discs of Whitesnake Ultimate like he did with (Novel) DIO.
- Reset the universe while standing far away of Yhwach, this is because in the novel everyone that was close to MIHUR were not affected by his Universal Reset, also I must remark that MIHUR is atleast tens of times faster than the canon one as once it activated one could see the sun spinning around, compared to the original that needed a few minutes to reach that speed.
And well he could also run to another world with D4CU and keep sending others Kars with it until either understanding Yhwach or finding a way to defeat him, or if Kira is present for KQ then he could trigger a manual BTD to time travel to the past.
I could also try to provide scans of everything above if needed.
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Tbh Bleach has do dimensional travel between realms ever since chapter 1 and speaking of ability transforms you in a bomb? Sounds like Bambietta Basterbine The Explode. And most of what you listed above wont kill Yhwach because he can rewrite his death and he can do this after he already dead, plus the Almighty ability has instantaneous attack speed on top on passive power null.
Can Yhwach resist Timestop
Hmm Shinigami have Timestop kido, and Yhwach ability is superior to Orihime causality manip, with her causality manip much weaker version of Orihime can even reject Kōtotsu, merely being chased by Kōtotsu will throw you into different time periods.
Can Yhwach resist Timestop
Hmm Shinigami have Timestop kido, and Yhwach ability is superior to Orihime causality manip, with her causality manip much weaker version of Orihime can even reject Kōtotsu, merely being chased by Kōtotsu will throw you into different time periods.
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It's something everybody has and for some reason they forgot to add it. They have also not added invisibility to their profiles since everyone is invinsible in the verse, and during combat Thread they are allowed to be seen by their opponents. (That's giving the opponent the ability to see Spirits.) They added recently the resistance to Soul Manipulation which was also missing. The CRT is currently awaiting for @SoldierBlue approval.Monarch Laciel said:
Question: Why Kars 2-C hax is accepted as AP and Yhwach Hax to destroyed and merged Earth with two other dimensions of the same size not accepted?
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UnSomeone who likes to read said:
- Yhwach has BFR counter vía dimension hopping by two of his different methods. (Shadows & Portals)
- I doubt a paradox would work on Yhwach since the timeline in Bleach was explained by Yhwach to not be linear. And that hax won't work on neither of the two Yhwach's. It gets null.
- Let assume he says his name. Yhwach will just revive himself. Or change the future to where the bomb didn't exploded by "x" reason.
- Yhwach could take his time, like 1,000 years to understand it without using his "I understand everything I see" power. Use Almighty to change that Future scene where he mastered ir to the present and he already has control over it. Or simply explode and comeback to life.
- He will just comeback to life like he did in the manga after his whole body exploded.
- Yhwach could just use The Almighty to teleport behind Kars/D4CU if they try to escape. I doubt been stun in the floor would allow them to move freely.
- Yhwach can stun them to the floor, grab them and absorb them.
- Change the future to where their bodies explode from the inside out.
