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I also want to bring up a previous CRT used to downgrade MFTL+ used the exact same arguments, so I doubt this will go anywhere.
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Relooking at Mario's stats: the speed edition!
- Thread starter Hagane_no_Saiyajin
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Should be mentioned that Mario pilots Starship Mario at the end of SMG2 without Prince Luma amplifications if that counts for anything.
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Piloting and spaceship feats don't scale for obvious reasons.
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What reasons, may I ask? Bowser can tag them, and Mario can maneuver while piloting them.
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I don't agree with the pilot part, but he already scales to the speed from Bowser's meteors and Power Star scaling.
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Power stars in Galaxy are basically lumas, and to my knowledge the power stars in 64 are not
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The revelation that some Power Stars can be Lumas retroactively means all Power Stars can be Lumas just like every planet, star, and galaxy were stated in lore to have previously been a Luma.
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Look, simply because something has the same name as another doesn't mean that they are the same. It's like saying two different people named Kevin are the same person.
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That's not even a remotely good allegory.
Power Stars are Power Stars. They function exactly the same in Galaxy as they do in 64. They provide things with power, as is in their names.
The burden of proof is on you to prove they are somehow different artifacts entirely from one game to the other when their names have been consistent across translations between the two games, look the same, and have been well established in Mario lore.
Power Stars are Power Stars. They function exactly the same in Galaxy as they do in 64. They provide things with power, as is in their names.
The burden of proof is on you to prove they are somehow different artifacts entirely from one game to the other when their names have been consistent across translations between the two games, look the same, and have been well established in Mario lore.
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That's not a good argument when they still look like Power Stars and act like them. Can you find a legitimate piece of evidence to prove they're different?
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So does this Kevin also have the same look, shine, power of creation, etc.?
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Damn, I guess Power Stars =/= Power Stars. Time to downgrade Mario
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Piloting only scales to the driver's reaction speeds if they demonstrate these levels of skill. Though, I agree with DatOneWeeb that they already have a bunch of other Massively FTL+ speed feats; all Lumas are consistently that level. And there's also Squirps flying to the edge of the universe, while the quintillion calc for Millenial star is iffy, it's clearly Massively FTL+ regardless given the Center of the Universe is intergalactic distances away from the Milky Way Galaxy and it clearly took much less than 1000 years.
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There's... a calc?
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We don't give MFTL+ for piloting ships, it's dishonest. In real life fighter pilots aren't as fast as the jets they fly. Why should it be different here.
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Except we do. If they can maneuver while piloting
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I mean they couldn't effectively maneuver while piloting them, dodging close objects n' shit
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The sky isn't full of large objects that will likely vaporize you if you hit them at full speed.(I don't know exactly MFTL+ collisions work but I believe it is infinite 3D energy also at that point casualty is broken) that said do we have prove Mario didn't crash through several planets.
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Pilots can steer out of the way of attacks tho. Po literally does that in The Rise of Skywalker, MFTL+ Po time.
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Maybe he is
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Operating a fast ship is not speed, but flying forward at Massively FTL+ speeds while simultaneously sliding left and right to avoid obstacles does translate to being able to hop left or right to evade Massively FTL+ projectiles.
However, Lumas can perform fancy U-Turns while maintaining their Intergalactic flights, Power Stars, Lumas, and Prankster Comets are all parallel in speed. Bowser's meteors do attack at intergalactic distances and tag the starship flying away from it.
However, Lumas can perform fancy U-Turns while maintaining their Intergalactic flights, Power Stars, Lumas, and Prankster Comets are all parallel in speed. Bowser's meteors do attack at intergalactic distances and tag the starship flying away from it.
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I do question whether or not Lubba's starship was flying when struck though.
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Unless Lubba was getting some lunch and the meteor struck while we wasn't looking
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He also has a rather blatant feat in Galaxy 2 where the vortex/black hole you fight Bowser in can be seen sucking in light in the background and they are clearly going against the current and resisting it
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So ships in space right
Anyways prior MFTL+ feats can further support he likely was flying while Bowser struck him.
So ships in space right
Anyways prior MFTL+ feats can further support he likely was flying while Bowser struck him.
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So it seems like the majority disagree with the removals and each points have been addessed. Is there anything else we need to do?
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Can we at least remove Bowser's Black Hole creation feat since that hasn't been removed yet?
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If you think this proves FTL you don't understand how black holes work. A black hole in the background sucking up light doesn't mean characters moving outside of the black hole are FTL.
You need to have gone past the Event Horizon to be FTL in order to escape. ******* asteroids can orbit close to black holes and they're not ftl.
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We have no idea if they saw the attack coming and tried to dodge it and the ship doesn't always move that fast.
When they already have the power to transform, doing little move then flying into a direction.
This has no reason to scale to anyone aside from characters getting powered by it to an unknown extent and way.
Not what he did.
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It seems pretty reasonable for anyone that can scale to Lumas to scale to Power Stars, since Power Stars were originally Lumas. Not to mention, Mario in his base has fought many Power Star-Amped users, so it should also scale to anyone that can scale to him.
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Power Star-Amped users such as the bosses in Mario 64, one of which you defeat by dropping off a cliff yes.
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Yea that little penguin is such an ass
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That's fine. Ask a mod to unlock the page.
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This is as qualifiable as wanting to claim what AP, durability, speed and abilities should a character have by simply being powered by the Power Cosmic in Marvel; the sh*t clearly varies from user to user despite all being powered by it, otherwise there would be a general consistency on all the users' AP feats, durability feats, speed feats, and the powers they use, obviously a whole lot of consistency isn't needed as power scaling exists but here it's clearly dishonest to scale everyone.
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