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Every space cutting sword can cut through anything. Curtana would accomplish that by even just cutting through 3 dimensions.Accel0305 said:And what Curtana does is to be able cut anything through these higher dimensions, hence the 3D cross-sectional debris. The proof isn't so much that it can just cut through a new axis of direction, but rather how it shows the precedence in relation between objects/beings that can access or exist on these higher dimensions, and those on the lower dimensions. I mean isn't that the whole point of using dimensional tiering? That beings or objects of these higher dimensions can trivialize everything below them into insignificance, either by perceiving them as akin to fictional constructs or having a size equivalent to a greater infinity in relation to them? It's through the same principle that Curtana is able to cut through anything
He has the right to disagree with you and agree with DT you know? Simply insisting that DT is wrong and immediately debunked doesn't help anyone's case.Accelerate420 said:DT makes the most sense? How? Dude didn't even really say much and got debunked immediately. Could you explain your reasoning? Ultima also thinks that ToAru can apply for higher dimensions, he just thinks they're vague.
Gotcha, but now that the new system is done, the tiering via dimension has changed, now Directional dimension =/= higher dimension of the way of infinitely higher than the currents, from the quote aboves, Toaru use 11 Dimension coordonate to teleport ect, and this Math Dimensions (dimensions in a way of directional space), those kind of cosmology is no longer applicable for tier 1.TIHYDDWBE said:everyone and their mother knows there are 11 dimensions atleast in toaru though. we don't need to waste responses on that. Which is why they are high 1c in the first place.
I don't see what your posts above is supposed to show that those 11 Dimensional axis countain higher-D objects, the fact is, Curtana's cutting feat cut Higher-D, not those 11 by the simple fact that their nature aren't the same, you can't link both without statement that those higher dimension are indeed the 11D axis (by nature they can't even by linked), overcoming fate and causality isn't really a proof of higher-D. i don't doubt the verse have higher D due to curtana's feat, but not the 11 Designated D probably 5 at best with this feat.StrongClick said:Like I said in my previous post dimensions aren't just directional axis used by teleporter calculations, they contai higher dimensional objects. We are proving due to Curtana mechanics that they are not of Non-significant size which also qualifies for tier 1 in new system as well as the qualitative factor between dimensions as shown that manipulating higher dimensions can overcome fate and causality of lower D's.
Maybe if u tried to read for once there is litteraly the entire section of Curtana copy pasted and linked in this threadThe Causality said:I don't see what your posts above is supposed to show that those 11 Dimensional axis countain higher-D objects, the fact is, Curtana's cutting feat cut Higher-D, not those 11 by the simple fact that their nature aren't the same, you can't link both without statement that those higher dimension are indeed the 11D axis (by nature they can't even by linked), overcoming fate and causality isn't really a proof of higher-D. i don't doubt the verse have higher D due to curtana's feat, but not the 11 Designated D probably 5 at best with this feat.
>They are the same dimensions, where are you getting that they aren't from???
Due to the fact that the 11D are spatial axis, they are not higher D in the sense of the new system allow you to be tier 1 (being infinitely higher/transcendant you know)
Higher Dimensions and "Higher Dimensional Debree" are meaningless in the context of the new tiering system. This ain't 2016 anymore.TIHYDDWBE said:everyone and their mother knows there are 11 dimensions atleast in toaru though. we don't need to waste responses on that. Which is why they are high 1c in the first place.
Are u still going about that ? Nobody is saying just having 11 dimension is enough, we are literally saying it might be infinite although we have no full proof BUT we know the minimum size, but we don't know if by ultima tiering that size count for the tier 1 or lowerMatthew Schroeder said:Higher Dimensions and "Higher Dimensional Debree" are meaningless in the context of the new tiering system. This ain't 2016 anymore.
I'm curious as to which verses actually use dimensions this way that you are describing them, aside from maybe those very high into tier 1A (Marvel & DC, Umineko, Dies Irae, I/O), in which case they don't even call them dimensions; they use terms like being levels of infinity transcendentially higher than something, or existing on infintely higher planes of existence in relation to something. That's not dimensions in the conventional sense, so why term them as such? Why not say something like "This character is this level of infinity this high, and "this character is this level of infinity higher than this", so he/she is this "planes of existence" high, but not "dimensions". I seriouly doubt that your definition is what comes to the minds of many authors/writers/mangaka's whenever they use the term dimension in their works of fiction, because that term has a specific meaning. Either use "dimensions" correctly, or change the term you use to justify the tiers of characters/verses. I'd like to see verses that are actually High 1-C/1-B, and that actually use your statement/description of dimensions to justify this tiering, with real set number of dimensions, without throwing around statements like "infinitely higher" or "higher plane".The Causality said:I don't see what your posts above is supposed to show that those 11 Dimensional axis countain higher-D objects, the fact is, Curtana's cutting feat cut Higher-D, not those 11 by the simple fact that their nature aren't the same, you can't link both without statement that those higher dimension are indeed the 11D axis (by nature they can't even by linked), overcoming fate and causality isn't really a proof of higher-D. i don't doubt the verse have higher D due to curtana's feat, but not the 11 Designated D probably 5 at best with this feat.StrongClick said:Like I said in my previous post dimensions aren't just directional axis used by teleporter calculations, they contai higher dimensional objects. We are proving due to Curtana mechanics that they are not of Non-significant size which also qualifies for tier 1 in new system as well as the qualitative factor between dimensions as shown that manipulating higher dimensions can overcome fate and causality of lower D's.
>They are the same dimensions, where are you getting that they aren't from???
Due to the fact that the 11D are spatial axis, they are not higher D in the sense of the new system allow you to be tier 1 (being infinitely higher/transcendant you know)