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No, though there isn't a particular reason to assume the opposite either.Ultima Reality said:
So do we default to assuming that dimensions not on the microscopic scale are universe sized?
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Regarding To Aru Magic God Tiering (High 1-C revision)
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So do we default to assuming that dimensions not on the microscopic scale are universe sized?
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Well, unless the dimensions in question are described super vaguely and aren't too elaborated upon, it could be something along those lines, yes. For instance, if a Universe is described as higher-dimensional and the dimensions themselves are not compactified, I don't see much ground to assume the whole thing is so small in relation to its additional axes.
Well, unless the dimensions in question are described super vaguely and aren't too elaborated upon, it could be something along those lines, yes. For instance, if a Universe is described as higher-dimensional and the dimensions themselves are not compactified, I don't see much ground to assume the whole thing is so small in relation to its additional axes.
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Eh, as long as we apply that consistently I'm fine with that.
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Hm, as long as everything is fine, I'am fine with it I guess.
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Not necessarily, though? Just because Ultima said "I guess it can't be fine" mostly out of exhaustion and a preference to focus on other verses doesn't mean it's all over.Antvasima said:
Pretty funny that when a bunch of people were agreeing universally for a downgrade it wasn't allowed to go through because of "no conclusion". But I guess a half-hearted shrug is all it takes to preserve a series' precious high tier.
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Looks good to me.
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theres nothing left to discuss . ultima gave his reasons and was not purely out of exhaustion of the topic like matthew would like us to believe.
everyone who actively participated and added to the discussion to downgrade the verse has conceded. After weeks of waiting i believe we are done here.
everyone who actively participated and added to the discussion to downgrade the verse has conceded. After weeks of waiting i believe we are done here.
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If the person pushing the downgrade has conceded and it's agreed upon with the supporters then I see no reason to continue just because one guy doesn't like the outcome. Let's not toss around assumptions about 'preserving a series' like that, that's not a very respectful thing to say. As TIH stated, there's really nothing left to discuss.
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I agree with keeping High 1-C
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I do talk to Ultima and it's very much exhaustion.TIHYDDWBE said:
Nobody has really concede, people are just sick of your endless c*ckblocking. Which is the strategy used by all fandoms here to prevent downgrades. Pad shit out until noobdy can take it anymore and just f*cking end me already.
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I think we should close this thread and maybe add the non-insignificant size description to the profile page of the series to avoid this being brought up again like Malox suggested. It's best not to let this devolve or derail further.
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I mean at this point it's basically just a general issue.Matthew Schroeder said:
If we in general assume that non-microscopic size is sufficient evidence to assume large extra dimensions then To Aru should keep the tier. Otherwise it shouldn't.
If you feel like debating Ultima on that you can basically just do a staff thread on the general issue, given that it's in regards to our tiering system standards. I for one just don't feel like doing that, as long as whatever standards we have are applied consistently.
I can say that I somewhat share your frustration on the debate practices here, though. Lately To Aru debates feel like HST threads, in regards of talking against text walls.
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Be that as it may that people have problems with other people on the site and how debates are handled, this isn't the time nor place to discuss or complain about it. Since there's nothing really more to be said I think this can be concluded. Any general issues should be handled elsewhere rather than letting this drag out.
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I agree with DontTalk
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IMO non-microscopic higher dimensions should be unquantifiably above baseline for whatever the tier would be (in this case, low 2-C)
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I also concur with keeping it based on Ultima's assesment
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DontTalk seems to make sense to me as well. That said, as I have said elsewhere, I would also prefer if our new standards for higher dimensions did require them to be treated as infinitely and/or qualitatively superior in order to qualify for higher tiers.
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technically speaking we could assume a real size but it would still be low balling it, 1) max possible curtana slice so universal, 2) how many time one can do it (so slicing the superior dimension multiple times) but we lack previous info on how many time it was used trough history
so the size of the higher dimensions should be between non insignificant to infinite
so the size of the higher dimensions should be between non insignificant to infinite
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The problem is mainly because the Xth dimension in a lot of works is frequently used as metaphors and hyperboles. And there do exist plenty of planes of existences with an X number of dimensions but are less than universal in size.
That being said, not advocating for anything here, just that the way Ultima has layed it out is pretty spot on.
That being said, not advocating for anything here, just that the way Ultima has layed it out is pretty spot on.
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Bump
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It's been settled already, no need to bump.
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So no downgrades?
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No downgrades, no. Just scroll up a bit higher to Ultima's last few comments between DT and himself.
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