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Regarding Bleach's Soul Crush In VS Match Ups
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That's not at all relevant here. Quincies are spiritually aware beings who have a strong soul, I did not deny that. Doesn't impact how the ability works in the first place.
None of those points detract anything regarding how the aura system works. If your aura is stronger than the other character, you naturally wouldn't feel its effect.
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Except you literally just said that it's Reiatsu vs Reiatsu, the one who emits the least gets affected, and with big enough gaps gets soul crushed
The Quincy example literally ***** on that argument, even putting aside the recent Hollows who don't even emit Reiatsu at all, which only further tears it apart.
No, it means it's not related to Reiatsu at all, never was, even another from of soul manip in the verse, that being Gonzui, is directly stated to be resisted by the strength of the soul by Yammy, aka soul resistance.
You have no argument, you've been bringing up the same rehashed things for years and yet nothing has changed.
Honestly, your arguments are so bad that you even had to circumvent arguing against Reiatsu Crush entirely and just change the Versus Thread Equalization rules directly, which even then, didn't actually effect anything.
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fate laughs
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No verse has a better resistance to soul manip like shinza
PrinceofPein
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Lol Nah still not even close
If it is a matter of layered resistance Nah none come close
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I said "almost any verse"
Bleach has never been the top for soul manip and it never will... It's a Low 2-C verse.
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i find weird that Fate and Shinza somehow are related with Bleach in this thread, but sure.
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I did, in cases where it is reiatsu vs reiatsu. Quincies are not relevant to what I said as they are different. "Reiatsu crush" is nothing but a person subconsciously releasing their energy, as in, it works like aura. An aura from a person won't work on another person who is capable of emitting more energy/aura. This is what happens in normal cases and this is also what Kenpachi said. Gonzui is a whole different ability and is not relevant either.
Correction: you're bringing up the same rehashed arguments over and over again. It has been discussed in a staff thread and established a long time ago that stuff like "reiatsu crush" and "nen crush" don't work on beings with higher energy.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
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But quincies don't release Aura, but still don't even die to Soul Crush, so, the argument of ''Aura vs Aura'' is not a factor
Which thread?
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Not that I really understand what you guys are arguing about but this is not what he meant.
He means they are strong enough to bear the aura from.the strip her person so they don't need to have the ability to release the aura themselves
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They're different how? Care to show where they were stated to be different?
They clearly go against your argument, so you try and separate them as "different" because you can't refute it otherwise.
This isn't what Kenpachi said, he was referring to physical strikes as shown by the fact that he clarifies this when Ichigo fails to cut him, not once did he mention soul crush.
Link this thread
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then I guess tatsuki arisawa (normal human) is now High 6-A due not dying to Aizen reiatsu?
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I can say something like "if you are asking why quincies are different than normal shinigamis then you should probably not dabble in bleach threads" like you suggested to me moments ago, but I won't. You don't deserve such responses.
They don't. My original argument is about aura having no effect on stronger aura. Not that quincies have strong or weak souls. My original argument has to do with "one" reason why reaitsu crush doesn't work in all cases, not that it's the "only" reason.
Same principle. Kenpachi's point was that Ichigo's lower spiritual pressure cannot penetrate Kenpachi's higher spiritual pressure. Reiatsu crush is spiritual pressure. A lower aura does not penetrate a stronger aura. When the aura itself doesn't reach any other character, it won't have any effect. This is such a basic thing.
Search energy equalization and you will probably find it.
This is a very dumb argument to make. Tatsuki was clearly affected by Aizen's reiatsu.
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So instead of proving that Quincy somehow resist Reiatsu Crush completely differently to everyone else in the verse, you just hand wave the argument?
Great, didn't expect anything different from the guy who tried having us find size of SS and WoTL by pixel scaling Mayuri through a "window".
Something you've yet to prove and instead just keep repeating
You concede to the possibility that Reiatsu crush can be resisted by soul resistance in the case of Quincies, but refuse to accept it for others? For no reason other than personal bias apparently
That was never said, I'm not sure why you're trying to misconstrue Kenpachi's statement.
He's referring to Reiryoku, not Reiatsu, even in the raws, the Kanji "霊力" is used, meaning Spiritual Power, Reiryoku directly correlates to stats, so obviously a character with more Reiryoku can directly no sell a strike from a character with less, Reiatsu isn't mentioned here.
Also, we have Aizen, the second most intelligent character in the verse, concluding that Ichigo had discarded his Reiryoku and therefore his Reiatsu, but wasn't confused as to why Ichigo wasn't just dying in his presence, just further proof that Reiatsu is irrelevant for resisting it.
Better yet, prove something you claim, I'm not going to search for something that you claim exists.
How about this argument, 3-A/Low 2-C Orihime?
Oh but I'm sure you'd say that's just an exception to fit your already faulty logic.
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Resisting spiritual pressure by being stronger doesn't make sense, it attacks the soul so why would being able to exert more energy protect you from that? Also characters who are way weaker than other characters can resist spirit pressure, so being stronger or of comparable strength doesn't matter, you just need a certain potency of soul resistance, by the time you are lieutenant level I think you can start exerting a spirit pressure strong enough to effect people passively. Correct me if I'm wrong though I still not finish bleach I'm in the second arc.
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fate has 4D soul, it more than definitively laugh
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meanwhile shinza dudes are 1-B, but nobody cares about it in this thread, stop talking about fate and shinza
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Literally nobody here did
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The topic of the thread is to see what is the potency of Bleach Soul hax, as different people says different things, not if Shinza and Fate have higher soul resistance
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first sentence of the op?
''Not really an issue with the lower tier characters, but this issue has always happened in almost every VS Thread regarding the God Tiers (Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, Soul King).''
this one?
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Soul Crush should have an explanation page. What is written in the profiles is very superficial to be honest
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Quincy do possess Reiatsu / Spiritual Pressure. They absorb spiritual energy to use in their attacks, which is why it seems like they don't release energy outwards, but they definitely possess Reiatsu.
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He was wrong there but the point is that Quincy release virtually zero Reiatsu compared to Shinigami and Hollows for example, which is exactly why we don't list Reiatsu Crush on their profiles, so even though he was sort of wrong, it still stands.
Also as I mentioned earlier, the new Hollows introduced in the latest chapter don't emit Reiatsu at all, which is why nobody detected them, so it's not just the Quincy thing anymore, there's now two clear instances of characters without or only emitting small amounts of Reiatsu being unaffected by Reiatsu Crush.
Lastly, I kinda forgot to include this in my earlier posts so this isn't directed at you, but even if we were to agree that Reiatsu is what resists Reiatsu Crush, Reiatsu isn't Bleach's energy, it's an application of their energy, Reiryoku is what gets equalized, not Reiatsu.
It would be like saying in a HxH versus Naruto fight that the character from Naruto can use Nen's application of "Ten" because of verse equalization, at that point, you are giving abilities due to verse equalization, which goes against the whole thing in the first place.
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The spiritual pressure of his attacks. yes they absorb reishi and use it as fuel for their attacks , but they don't release any passively or extremely little, unlike the shinigamis and hollows.
Therefore , it would mean that they would have zero defenses against the reiatsu crush of the shinigami and co and yet they are completely unaffected by it . my point is still valid , i just worded it poorly.
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Therefore , it would mean that they would have zero defenses against the reiatsu crush of the shinigami and co and yet they are completely unaffected by it . my point is still valid , i just worded it poorly.
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It's kind of tricky to set Bleach's soul Hax level. In the work, every matter has a soul and if the potency is to be defined for that reason then I believe it would be very difficult to say a minimum level.
On the other hand we have hollows that have at least 100 million souls but are still affected by RC and Ikimikidomoe having devoured several hollows...
On the other hand we have hollows that have at least 100 million souls but are still affected by RC and Ikimikidomoe having devoured several hollows...
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I guess we can start off by deciding if the God Tier's Soul Crush is Infinite or Finite. If Infinite, we'll add that, if Finite, then we decide on what level.
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we know that the Blanks alone are infinite . The Blanks are only a small fraction of the whole soul cycle , they are lost souls .
So that would mean that the god tier, wich are able to sustain the soul cycle would scale to that , at least .
Imo, that CRT should wait until we see if the guidelines on how Soul/mind hax's potency is judged change. Because if they do , this CRT will become useless.
So that would mean that the god tier, wich are able to sustain the soul cycle would scale to that , at least .
Imo, that CRT should wait until we see if the guidelines on how Soul/mind hax's potency is judged change. Because if they do , this CRT will become useless.
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Isn't the entire new rule
Range/numbers =\= Potency
Range/numbers =\= Potency
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That wasn't implemented at all.
A user brought to possibility to light , but his thread went nowhere and have to be remade in "staff only" , discussed, agreed on by most staff and then applied.
So for now , numbers are still important.
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Pretty sure it went somewhere I just checked again
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/mind-manipulation-revision-numbers-aint-everything.124595/post-4153338
AKM said it have to be remade in staff only. Therefore, it isn't accepted yet , let alone implemented.
it wasn't accepted nor rejected but was closed = went nowhere in my eyes.
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Good luck then Bobsican . You already know that i disagree with the notion (not that my puny opinion matter in the slighest.)
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While I can see your points, my issue is that numbers aren't necessarily always a factor for the potency by default, often it's just a matter of it being spreaded like any other hax for it to work (aka, range), and so it is no different from a baseline ability that wouldn't really affect someone with an actual resistance.
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I had not yet watched that movie, so it was an honest misunderstanding from the scan that was posted. But it's a good thing you did that, people only resort to attacking others when they feel their arguments don't hold water.
Changing the terms doesn't change how the mechanism works. He said that when two spiritual forces collide, the weaker absorbs the impact. And that Ichigo's spirit energy attack through his sword was weaker than the spirit energy leaking out of him subconsciously.
The energy that is released outside the body is reiatsu. It's an aura. What happens to an aura that meets another greater aura? It gets negged.
That's like saying a beam of soul destroying energy can destroy anybody's soul even if it doesn't hit the opponent? The aura needs to make contact with someone in order to affect them. Someone having a stronger aura would naturally not be affected by it in the first place for the soul hax to take place.
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