Yes, I think this can be applied.
It would be cool to explore the opposition argument first, even though it spans 4 pages. But to summarize, there isn't really anything explicitly stating a direct connection to causality, and I don't think existing before life and death is linked to Type 4. The existence of Ichibei essentially debunks the notion that existing prior to the universe grants resistance or immunity against causality or fate manipulation, which the OP uses to justify Type 4, as he has shown to be affected by such abilities.
Your argument is "nuh-uh" repeated for 4 pages in the form of a college paragraph.
I actually read through some of the back and forth between you and the others (not all, I've not a lot of free time). My thoughts are my interpretation of what was presented in the OP (I'm not super knowledgeable on Bleach), but I don't really see how Ichibei counts as a debunk when he'd fall under the Soul King's changes when the current worlds laws were constructed no? Also, existing before life and death means he wouldn't be bound by the standards rules of life and death since it's stated those two things didn't exist, so when applying Orihime's ability not working on him (causality manipulation) and him being stated to transced everything, it leads me to believe he's not bound by the standard cause and effect system like everything else (life and death especially). This again is just my interpretation.
I challenge you to provide the argument that refutes causality, especially focusing on the Ichibei part. The only one here without valid arguments is you. No offense, but you consistently criticize without contributing valid points to the discussion.
^ This.
sounds like projection tbh
If evidence is presented regarding this argument, I guess I'll concede on using this point.
Honestly, this reasoning is new to me. I've come across similar concepts in many novels, where Gods exist before life and death and are often described as transcendental beings but only a few of them manages to get type 4, only because there's a statement that their existence differs from causality. For instance, the God in Tokyo Babel, being described as reverse causality.
Does that make sense, let's just wrap this up and apply?
I personally wouldn't take arguments seriously anymore from someone who thinks this is Type 5 and another person who thinks Acausality is just mere resistance that anybody can counter through sheer layering. Neither of them really understands Type 4. Additionally, all of them are Bleach fans, not that it means their arguments against me are invalid, but that's the main driving force behind why they disagree with me.
Read what I said earlier, this doesn't apply to Ichibei.
If existing prior to the universe is the root of Acausality, Ichibei should be able to resist the aspects you just mentioned regarding to Reio changing causality. I'm not really seeing anything new, you just repeated what the admin said.
Nobody has really addressed that part, except for the admin who just arrived earlier and presented a simple yet plausible argument. Can't even defend own shows.idk what's even left to discuss atp
pretty sure Ichibe being an anti-feat has been addressed multiple times before
In short, you didn't understand my argument.Probably because you keep thinking type 4 somehow makes you immune like type 5 for whatever reason when type 4 is just operating under a different causality system. Doesn’t make you immune to every thing causality related.
Hey? Did you really read what I said? Existing before the universe is not the root of acausality, because if the previous universe operates in the same causality this no longer applies.
This doesn't really address anything. As for the second argument you've quoted, I wasn't aware that there was a comment below me on page 4 that I didn't see. No wonder why people keep saying 3-0, but in any case, I still don't agree with anything due to the lack of a statement stating causality. On top of that, Ichibei should be unaffected by the causality aspect that Reio manipulated. But I admit the second argument you've quoted is the only argument among all the
Why?
If this is indeed true, I might reconsider my opinion. However, I remain unsure due to the lack of an explicit statement regarding causality. Honestly, you are the only person here who is making sense. I'm tired of hearing their nonsense that doesn't really contribute to anything, and I feel compelled to respond, or else it will be viewed as if I have no argument against it.
I'd like for everyone to stop replying to Worthless at the same time and not in this manner above please. You all don't need to respond.
I feel like this is a compliment. Is that how I appeared to look? LOL
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Worthless. No problem
With all due respect to you all, I don't really expect you all to fully understand my argument unless you've experienced the same things I did back then. I understand that this perspective might seem out of place since these instances are rare for you, but not for me. And one of the first things I did right after joining here is literally participate in an Acausality post because a random person outside of this site debunked my belief that GER is all-powerful.
Then the argument proposes that his existence in the already non-existent (old) world should be replaced with being unaffected by the changes in all fundamentals within the verse. I'm not entirely sure about causality, but I believe the law is sufficient to grant Acausality type 4. I wasn't aware that the admin argument originated from you.
I'm a fairly neutral presence here, and I have to say, it isn't about overcoming it through layering. What it means is that it can somehow work on acausal beings anyway. In the case of Reio, one possible way to look at it is this: let's say Reio still operates on the old system of cause and effect while being outside the new system. Now let's say the Almighty completely rules the new system, and yet can't do anything to Reio because he operates under the old system. Now let's say the Almighty is upgraded and now rules the old system as well, and thus can now effect Reio as well. Given that a different system is basically what acausality type 4 is all about, it seems pretty accurate.
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The Soul King "transcending everything", Mimihagi being invisible to the eyes of the Y'all mighty, and Orihime's "Rejection" being unable to affect the Soul King can point to either a resistance to causality warping abilities or operating on a different system of causality.
