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Regarding Bleach's Soul Crush In VS Match Ups

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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Also isn't tanking a EE is gives resistance to EE not soul resistance.
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Depending on what kind of EE it is, if it's EE that only erases the physical body then no but if it's EE that can erases Soul then yes.

Its similar on how being resistant towards Deconstruction gives you inherent resistances towards Matter Manipulation.
 
AppleLord said:
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I meant did he resisted it with his Soul. Just so he tanked EE doesn't inheritedly gives him Soul resistance.
Deceived said:
Depending on what kind of EE it is, if it's EE that only erases the physical body then no but if it's EE that can erases Soul then yes.

Its similar on how being resistant towards Deconstruction gives you inherent resistances towards Matter Manipulation.
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My thoughts also same. But if someone tanks EE with just pure physical energy then they shouldn't get resistance to soul manipulation. We have many characters who are physically Stronger but their soul being very weak.
 
AppleLord said:
If Hakai was shown to erase souls, and a character resist it means they have soul resistance. Otherwise their soul would had been erased.
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I mean if he Resisted thru soul yeah the character gets soul resistance. Just tanking Hakai through physically doesn't qualify for Soul resistance.
 
surviving/tanking EE gives resistance to EE, not soul manipulation.
similar to how you can destroy or affect concept without being able to manipulate the concept you just need non-physical interaction. because you're affecting a soul by being able to interact with soul with your NPI not because you have soul manip.

it's like saying just because you have soul, mind and matter resistance you suddenly get EE resistance. just because you survive soul destruction doesn't mean you can resist having your soul changed or modified
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
surviving/tanking EE gives resistance to EE, not soul manipulation.
similar to how you can destroy or affect concept without being able to manipulate the concept you just need non-physical interaction. because you're affecting a soul by being able to interact with soul with your NPI not because you have soul manip.

it's like saying just because you have soul, mind and matter resistance you suddenly get EE resistance. just because you survive soul destruction doesn't mean you can resist having your soul changed or modified
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Great points.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
But if someone tanks EE with just pure physical energy then they shouldn't get resistance to soul manipulation. We have many characters who are physically Stronger but their soul being very weak.
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"physical energy". You do realise Ki has been refered to as spiritual energy on many occasions. This isn't superman and his Solar energy which could be refered to as "physical energy". Ki is pretty close to Reiyroku and Chakra. They are tied to the Soul. When you swap bodies via soul exchange, you keep your Ki signature. If you absorb people's Ki like Moro and Cell, you can literally see their souls inside them. ( Example 1) when Cell powered up against 17 and Piccolo and 2)when Goku sensed Moro's power and saw their souls 3) when Vegeta removed Moro's stolen Ki and used it to infuse the souls back into their bodies)
 
SirAlex09 said:
"physical energy". You do realise Ki has been refered to as spiritual energy on many occasions. This isn't superman and his Solar energy which could be refered to as "physical energy". Ki is pretty close to Reiyroku and Chakra. They are tied to the Soul. When you swap bodies via soul exchange, you keep your Ki signature. If you absorb people's Ki like Moro and Cell, you can literally see their souls inside them. ( Example 1) when Cell powered up against 17 and Piccolo and 2)when Goku sensed Moro's power and saw their souls 3) when Vegeta removed Moro's stolen Ki and used it to infuse the souls back into their bodies)
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TheGreatJedi13 said:
surviving/tanking EE gives resistance to EE, not soul manipulation.
similar to how you can destroy or affect concept without being able to manipulate the concept you just need non-physical interaction. because you're affecting a soul by being able to interact with soul with your NPI not because you have soul manip.

it's like saying just because you have soul, mind and matter resistance you suddenly get EE resistance. just because you survive soul destruction doesn't mean you can resist having your soul changed or modified
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Read this. Either way my point still Stands.
 
rough draft made by decieved

Tatsuki <<< SS Arc Lieutenants <<< SS Arc Captains <<< TYBW Lieutenants <<< TYBW Captains <<< Shinigami Aizen <<< Bankai Yamamoto <<< Hogyoku Form 1-3 <<< Butterfly Aizen <<< Dangai Ichigo <<< Mugetsu <<< Hollowfied Shikai Ichigo <<< Aizen <<< Soul King Yhwach << True Bankai Ichigo <<<<<< Prime Soul King.

not perfected yet
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
rough draft made by decieved

Tatsuki <<< SS Arc Lieutenants <<< SS Arc Captains <<< TYBW Lieutenants <<< TYBW Captains <<< Shinigami Aizen <<< Bankai Yamamoto <<< Hogyoku Form 1-3 <<< Butterfly Aizen <<< Dangai Ichigo <<< Mugetsu <<< Hollowfied Shikai Ichigo <<< Aizen <<< Soul King Yhwach << True Bankai Ichigo <<<<<< Prime Soul King.

not perfected yet
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Looks good. I have some other proposal I will drop it later.
 
To be honest, disabling soul crush would be good in vs battles because in most fights, Soul Crush just stomps whether you're the mightiest in your verse or whatever.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Please stop the derailing here. Pretty sure this thread is just to determine how Soul Crush is to be treated for debates.
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No decision has been made yet, but I think it should be. Because, ending the discussions like soul crush win, no soul crush won't work, no it works, if it works, if it works, if it's accepted, if it doesn't, it will affect the discussions much more positively.
 
AKUTO123 said:
No decision has been made yet, but I think it should be. Because, ending the discussions like soul crush win, no soul crush won't work, no it works, if it works, if it works, if it's accepted, if it doesn't, it will affect the discussions much more positively.
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I suggest we did a vote whether we agree or disagree. For me, I disagree about the Soul Crush removal/nerf from vs battles.
 
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It would be nice if there was a definitive list of resistors. For example, a character who resists erasure from existence resists or cannot resist soul crush. There are situations in which energy equalization makes soul crush ineffective. a manager comes and says ki and reiatsu are the same thing so DB characters do not affect reiatsu crush someone says they do.
 
Bump? This seems like it hasn't been resolved. not sure if its necro either so my bad if it is.
 
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it’s fine in this case considering this is kinda about the verse’s content and not just some vs thread.
 
well since its not a necro:

the soul hax layer is still not done since there are many CTR still fixing bleach so no one has been concentrating on doing the layers yet
 
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