Goodbye Record of Ragnarok Level 5 and FLT

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

For what it's worth, even if we don't scale everyone to LuBu I don't think anyone is gonna be wall level

• As mentioned before Shiva and Rudra make a mountain sized shockwave which i calced offsite to be High 7-C (probably a lowball mind you)
• Tesla creates a huge beam that reaches the clouds which i also calc offsite to be 7-C (Beelzebub is hit dierctly by this btw)
• Heracles creates several large craters in his fight and London ends up looking like this by the end of it
• Heracles also survives a divine building dropping on him, which then shatters
• Hades shatters the entire arena with a single strike without Desmos
• Hajun destroyed half of Helheim, which at the absolute least would mean destroying buildings and wiping out cities
• Zero destroyed large chuncks of the arena and his ultimate attack is this, which Buddha easily blocks with his shield

Doesn't Shiva also get stronger after that? At the very least his transformed state is significantly stronger than his base form considering what he did to Raiden.

 

[Giannysmag]

Doesn't Shiva also get stronger after that? At the very least his transformed state is significantly stronger than his base form considering what he did to Raiden.

It's never stated he got stronger after the Rudra fight, but it should be noted that he was holding back the entire fight so he still upscales. Also yea Tandava Shiva is on a completely different level to base Shiva

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's never stated he got stronger after the Rudra fight, but it should be noted that he was holding back the entire fight so he still upscales. Also yea Tandava Shiva is on a completely different level to base Shiva

So he should scale to the full output of that clash, right? At least in Tandava form?

 

[Giannysmag]

So he should scale to the full output of that clash, right? At least in Tandava form?

Probably yea

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Probably yea

Well that's some pretty good scaling then, but then you get to the fact that Shiva, Odin, Hades and Zeus are considered the four strongest gods in the verse so that's to consider at the very least for the reworks as they are the four supreme gods.

Also whatever rating Zeus gets Beelzebub's ultimate attack should scale to since it terrifies him.

 

[Giannysmag]

Well that's some pretty good scaling then, but then you get to the fact that Shiva, Odin, Hades and Zeus are considered the four strongest gods in the verse so that's to consider at the very least for the reworks as they are the four supreme gods.

They are the strongest of their respective pantheons which is why they are chief gods, but that doesn't mean they are the strongest across pantehons (basically there's nothing saying Poseidon is weaker than Shiva for example)

Also whatever rating Zeus gets Beelzebub's ultimate attack should scale to since it terrifies him.

Chaos might be calcalable by itself, since when nerfed it vaporized the entire arena and at full power it dwarfs what look like cliffs in size

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

They are the strongest of their respective pantheons which is why they are chief gods, but that doesn't mean they are the strongest across pantehons (basically there's nothing saying Poseidon is weaker than Shiva for example)

But Hades is part of the Greek Pantheon so that doesn't exactly add up for that interpretation.

Chaos might be calcalable by itself, since when nerfed it vaporized the entire arena and at full power it dwarfs what look like cliffs in size

Could be worth looking into.

 

[Giannysmag]

But Hades is part of the Greek Pantheon so that doesn't exactly add up for that interpretation.

I always interpreted it as Hades being the strongest Helheim god (and also it's king) which is why he is a chief god despite technically being Greek

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I always interpreted it as Hades being the strongest Helheim god (and also it's king) which is why he is a chief god despite technically being Greek

I guess but that's kind of weird. Doesn't Hades also have a straight up state something about the Gods being unable to handle the titans before he proceeds to solo them all?

 

[Giannysmag]

I guess but that's kind of weird. Doesn't Hades also have a straight up state something about the Gods being unable to handle the titans before he proceeds to solo them all?

It's stated that the Titans attacking at the same time as the gaints would take down the Greek realm specifically, so still nothing scaling him to other pantheons

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's stated that the Titans attacking at the same time as the gaints would take down the Greek realm specifically, so still nothing scaling him to other pantheons

I mean it's still impressive that he soloed them regardless since they're still regarded as the Gods' most powerful enemies alongside the Giants.

 

[Giannysmag]

I mean it's still impressive that he soloed them regardless since they're still regarded as the Gods' most powerful enemies alongside the Giants.

He also did it with Desmos which is a huge amp to his AP (i would argue has higher AP than Sky Eater), but i also am not against Hades > Shiva

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He also did it with Desmos which is a huge amp to his AP (i would argue has higher AP than Sky Eater), but i also am not against Hades > Shiva

How big of an amp is Desmos anyways? Also do you think Hades made his weapon stronger when he fused it with Poseidon's trident?

 

[Giannysmag]

How big of an amp is Desmos anyways?

He went from his attacks getting completely negged by HHoD to easily breaking through it and pulverizing Qin's whole arm with it

Also do you think Hades made his weapon stronger when he fused it with Poseidon's trident?

No idea

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He went from his attacks getting completely negged by HHoD to easily breaking through it and pulverizing Qin's whole arm with it

So basically a one-shot level amp?

No idea

Might have to look into that later but if that's the case then Qin must be absurdly ******* strong to have shattered it the way he did.

 

[Giannysmag]

So basically a one-shot level amp?

Yea

Might have to look into that later but if that's the case then Qin must be absurdly ******* strong to have shattered it the way he did.

Well he destroyed it by redirecting Desmos' own energy back into it, so really it's a feat for Hades

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Well that's some pretty good scaling then, but then you get to the fact that Shiva, Odin, Hades and Zeus are considered the four strongest gods in the verse so that's to consider at the very least for the reworks as they are the four supreme gods.

Not exactly. The statement/scan I believe you are thinking of is the one that calls them Chief Gods which is a title that refers to them being the leaders of their own pantheons, not necessarily referring to their strength or being the strongest of their respective pantheons. Though Zeus and Shiva are admittedly both Chief Gods specifically because they were the strongest Greek and Hindu gods, the strongest Norse god is confirmed to be Thor rather than Odin (he just doesn’t care about anything besides good fights and respecting fighters).

Spoiler: Spin off spoiler

Currently waiting on the TLs for the spin off but apparently there is a statement that Ra-Horakhty (Egyptian Chief God) is on the level of/in the same ballpark as Zeus and Odin so there would be others outside of Ragnarok who are as strong as them.

 

[Giannysmag]

Also I just remembered there is the whole thing about Gods being immune to any human weapon which could include nukes. So betwen that and Sky Eater i think every fighter could get a possibly 7-B+ or smth

 

[PowerToScale]

Also I just remembered there is the whole thing about Gods being immune to any human weapon which could include nukes. So betwen that and Sky Eater i think every fighter could get a possibly 7-B+ or smth

It's not an immunity thing. Human weapons, swords, guns, bombs aren't powerful enough. We see when Jack attacks Herc with regular weapons they aren't able to do anything against but volund enhanced weapons do. And when Jack enhances a pebble it goes from being a normal pebble to being able to crater a building a increase in strength and durability. We also see Herc kill angels and lower deities with a club as he now has godly strength behind his swings.

 

[Giannysmag]

It's not an immunity thing. Human weapons, swords, guns, bombs aren't powerful enough. We see when Jack attacks Herc with regular weapons they aren't able to do anything against but volund enhanced weapons do. And when Jack enhances a pebble it goes from being a normal pebble to being able to crater a building a increase in strength and durability. We also see Herc kill angels and lower deities with a club as he now has godly strength behind his swings.

I know which is why I think it could be used as justification for 7-B

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Oh sweet Jesus, I know this isn't the point of this thread but Lü Bu's intelligence section is utterly insulting.

 

[Giannysmag]

Bump. I think the best course for the tiering is

X (each fighters individual feats), likely/possibly City level+ (Gods and Volund amped humans potentially scaling above human LuBu. Gods can't be damaged by any human weapon which might include nukes like the Tsar Bomba)

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'd say solid 7-B lol

 

[Giannysmag]

I'd say solid 7-B lol

I'd be fine with that too but some people don't seem to wanna scale everyone to LuBu

 

[PowerToScale]

Bump. I think the best course for the tiering is

"City level+ (Gods and Volund amped humans potentially scaling above human LuBu. Gods can't be damaged by any human weapon which might include nukes like the Tsar Bomba)" alone is fine, the individual feats is very wishy washy as not all fighters are destructive and some who aren't are narratively stronger than others. The individual feats is a needless tier that wouldn't be accurate based on how the story works and its structure. Plus All the gods would upscale from this reasoning alone.

Even thought they are higher

 

[PowerToScale]

I'd be fine with that too but some people don't seem to wanna scale everyone to LuBu

There isn't really a reason, ragnarok gods are above all of humanity, even Lu Bu prior to his fight without Volund was said to not be enough

 

[Giannysmag]

Reread the portion where Brun was talking about divine weapons and she outright says that no human has a chance against a god that's armed with a divine weapon

So yea scaling everyone to LuBu is fine

 

[PowerToScale]

And she gives them divine weapons that through volund which amps them as a whole, so even then they would upscale. This also isn't entirely true.

 

[Giannysmag]

Since Tier 5 has been rejected for a while now is everyone ok if I make a thread to downgrage everyone to 7-B?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Since Tier 5 has been rejected for a while now is everyone ok if I make a thread to downgrage everyone to 7-B?

Creating a new thread to discuss the new scale would be good

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump. I think the best course for the tiering is

I would be fine putting them all as 7-B

 

[Giannysmag]

Creating a new thread to discuss the new scale would be good

Record of Ragnarok - 7-B Downgrade

Record of Ragnarok's 5-B rating has been rejected in this thread, so here we'll discuss what rating they will be downgraded too I and a few other people in the last thread agreed the best rating would be "At least City level+" as: Both the gods and Brunhilde believe that it would be impossible...

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[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump for interest

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump for interest

The downgrade has already been accepted

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The downgrade has already been accepted

Ooh fr? Ima go spectate the beauty. Thx btw

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Ooh fr? Ima go spectate the beauty. Thx btw

Current discussion is what they're being downgraded to, which being discussed in a thread above