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Goodbye Record of Ragnarok Level 5 and FLT

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Giannysmag said:
For what it's worth, even if we don't scale everyone to LuBu I don't think anyone is gonna be wall level

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Doesn't Shiva also get stronger after that? At the very least his transformed state is significantly stronger than his base form considering what he did to Raiden.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Doesn't Shiva also get stronger after that? At the very least his transformed state is significantly stronger than his base form considering what he did to Raiden.
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It's never stated he got stronger after the Rudra fight, but it should be noted that he was holding back the entire fight so he still upscales. Also yea Tandava Shiva is on a completely different level to base Shiva
 
Giannysmag said:
It's never stated he got stronger after the Rudra fight, but it should be noted that he was holding back the entire fight so he still upscales. Also yea Tandava Shiva is on a completely different level to base Shiva
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So he should scale to the full output of that clash, right? At least in Tandava form?
 
Giannysmag said:
Probably yea
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Well that's some pretty good scaling then, but then you get to the fact that Shiva, Odin, Hades and Zeus are considered the four strongest gods in the verse so that's to consider at the very least for the reworks as they are the four supreme gods.

Also whatever rating Zeus gets Beelzebub's ultimate attack should scale to since it terrifies him.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Well that's some pretty good scaling then, but then you get to the fact that Shiva, Odin, Hades and Zeus are considered the four strongest gods in the verse so that's to consider at the very least for the reworks as they are the four supreme gods.
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They are the strongest of their respective pantheons which is why they are chief gods, but that doesn't mean they are the strongest across pantehons (basically there's nothing saying Poseidon is weaker than Shiva for example)
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Also whatever rating Zeus gets Beelzebub's ultimate attack should scale to since it terrifies him.
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Chaos might be calcalable by itself, since when nerfed it vaporized the entire arena and at full power it dwarfs what look like cliffs in size
 
Giannysmag said:
They are the strongest of their respective pantheons which is why they are chief gods, but that doesn't mean they are the strongest across pantehons (basically there's nothing saying Poseidon is weaker than Shiva for example)
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But Hades is part of the Greek Pantheon so that doesn't exactly add up for that interpretation.
Giannysmag said:
Chaos might be calcalable by itself, since when nerfed it vaporized the entire arena and at full power it dwarfs what look like cliffs in size
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Could be worth looking into.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
But Hades is part of the Greek Pantheon so that doesn't exactly add up for that interpretation.
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I always interpreted it as Hades being the strongest Helheim god (and also it's king) which is why he is a chief god despite technically being Greek
 
Giannysmag said:
I always interpreted it as Hades being the strongest Helheim god (and also it's king) which is why he is a chief god despite technically being Greek
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I guess but that's kind of weird. Doesn't Hades also have a straight up state something about the Gods being unable to handle the titans before he proceeds to solo them all?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I guess but that's kind of weird. Doesn't Hades also have a straight up state something about the Gods being unable to handle the titans before he proceeds to solo them all?
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It's stated that the Titans attacking at the same time as the gaints would take down the Greek realm specifically, so still nothing scaling him to other pantheons
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Giannysmag said:
It's stated that the Titans attacking at the same time as the gaints would take down the Greek realm specifically, so still nothing scaling him to other pantheons
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I mean it's still impressive that he soloed them regardless since they're still regarded as the Gods' most powerful enemies alongside the Giants.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I mean it's still impressive that he soloed them regardless since they're still regarded as the Gods' most powerful enemies alongside the Giants.
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He also did it with Desmos which is a huge amp to his AP (i would argue has higher AP than Sky Eater), but i also am not against Hades > Shiva
 
Giannysmag said:
He also did it with Desmos which is a huge amp to his AP (i would argue has higher AP than Sky Eater), but i also am not against Hades > Shiva
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How big of an amp is Desmos anyways? Also do you think Hades made his weapon stronger when he fused it with Poseidon's trident?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Well that's some pretty good scaling then, but then you get to the fact that Shiva, Odin, Hades and Zeus are considered the four strongest gods in the verse so that's to consider at the very least for the reworks as they are the four supreme gods.
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Not exactly. The statement/scan I believe you are thinking of is the one that calls them Chief Gods which is a title that refers to them being the leaders of their own pantheons, not necessarily referring to their strength or being the strongest of their respective pantheons. Though Zeus and Shiva are admittedly both Chief Gods specifically because they were the strongest Greek and Hindu gods, the strongest Norse god is confirmed to be Thor rather than Odin (he just doesn’t care about anything besides good fights and respecting fighters).

Currently waiting on the TLs for the spin off but apparently there is a statement that Ra-Horakhty (Egyptian Chief God) is on the level of/in the same ballpark as Zeus and Odin so there would be others outside of Ragnarok who are as strong as them.
 
Also I just remembered there is the whole thing about Gods being immune to any human weapon which could include nukes. So betwen that and Sky Eater i think every fighter could get a possibly 7-B+ or smth
 
Giannysmag said:
Also I just remembered there is the whole thing about Gods being immune to any human weapon which could include nukes. So betwen that and Sky Eater i think every fighter could get a possibly 7-B+ or smth
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It's not an immunity thing. Human weapons, swords, guns, bombs aren't powerful enough. We see when Jack attacks Herc with regular weapons they aren't able to do anything against but volund enhanced weapons do. And when Jack enhances a pebble it goes from being a normal pebble to being able to crater a building a increase in strength and durability. We also see Herc kill angels and lower deities with a club as he now has godly strength behind his swings.
 
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It's not an immunity thing. Human weapons, swords, guns, bombs aren't powerful enough. We see when Jack attacks Herc with regular weapons they aren't able to do anything against but volund enhanced weapons do. And when Jack enhances a pebble it goes from being a normal pebble to being able to crater a building a increase in strength and durability. We also see Herc kill angels and lower deities with a club as he now has godly strength behind his swings.
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I know which is why I think it could be used as justification for 7-B
 
Oh sweet Jesus, I know this isn't the point of this thread but Lü Bu's intelligence section is utterly insulting.
 
Bump. I think the best course for the tiering is

X (each fighters individual feats), likely/possibly City level+ (Gods and Volund amped humans potentially scaling above human LuBu. Gods can't be damaged by any human weapon which might include nukes like the Tsar Bomba)
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Giannysmag said:
Bump. I think the best course for the tiering is
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"City level+ (Gods and Volund amped humans potentially scaling above human LuBu. Gods can't be damaged by any human weapon which might include nukes like the Tsar Bomba)" alone is fine, the individual feats is very wishy washy as not all fighters are destructive and some who aren't are narratively stronger than others. The individual feats is a needless tier that wouldn't be accurate based on how the story works and its structure. Plus All the gods would upscale from this reasoning alone.

Even thought they are higher
 
Reread the portion where Brun was talking about divine weapons and she outright says that no human has a chance against a god that's armed with a divine weapon
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So yea scaling everyone to LuBu is fine
 
And she gives them divine weapons that through volund which amps them as a whole, so even then they would upscale. This also isn't entirely true.
 
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Since Tier 5 has been rejected for a while now is everyone ok if I make a thread to downgrage everyone to 7-B?
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Creating a new thread to discuss the new scale would be good
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Record of Ragnarok - 7-B Downgrade

Record of Ragnarok's 5-B rating has been rejected in this thread, so here we'll discuss what rating they will be downgraded too I and a few other people in the last thread agreed the best rating would be "At least City level+" as: Both the gods and Brunhilde believe that it would be impossible...
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