Except one of those admins didn't seen the counterargument immediately afterwards with Shiva. And DDM probably didn't see that at all.
You can remove the Thor stuff but I’m pretty sure that doesn’t apply to shiva tier 5 stuff
Okay, but did Damage tell you that he didn't see the counterarguments? Well, he may have seen them, but he still agrees with the downgrade.
Sorry have you not seen the multiple Shiva debunks posted throughout the thread or?
Thank you for your evaluation.
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Is your opinion still the same, even after the counterarguments about the AP downgrade?
You'd have to prove he could fragment the entire surface of the Earth to get that. Like I said to just life wipe you can accomplish that with a 6-B or better explosion. But I guess if others are alright High 6-A wouldn't be an unreasonable high end.
eh, his supposed to destroy the world the “die” then remake the world from his ashes so take that for what you will
It seemed like they were gonna wipe them out in one blow
There's enough evidence with the rest of the examples as well as the fact the Vedas claimed to know what would happen with the ability when even Shiva had no idea what would happen to not use it. So yes, it does do that for the Vedas by confirming something unknown that we have no reason to assume is accurate.
Something Tier 6 is warranted then.
Um no, the series would be pretty direct in its “debunking” in the vedas if that was the case
You mean like how Shiva himself had no idea what was going to happen when he used it? and how there is like 7 statements from in verse texts that are shown to be innacurate?
No, it say something along long the lines of “nay! actually….” Or so some backstory. The statement is pretty clearly meant to hype up the techniques power.
Well, I think this serves more to illustrate the end of humanity than to show how they would actually do it.
Eh he can be used as support evidence for Thor
I should note that Shiva's stated to be able to casually create and destroy worlds even in his base form in his introduction in R5. Tadvara Karma is just another thing.
The sky appears to be made up of islands.
Shiva says that after “cleansing” the earth they should let another creature evolve, so I really don't think they would wipe out humanity like that.
Precisely my reasoning on it.
um yes actually, inferential routes to logical conclusions that still follow normal stuff like in RoR are fine to use this is simply inference within the range of data we have. I do agree that typically they'd have been extremely direct in the matter as is the norm, however this is a month-by-month manga series and inconsistencies like this can occur. That, however, doesn't disprove the point I made. However typically word pattern does not negate the fact we see it on panel of Shiva's Tandava Karma not doing what was stated. If you want to extrapolate that in fact, he can burn away the world with his dance due to the Vedas piece I don't think I can convince you. I will say it is more of a hax than an AP feat regardless of which way you want to split the topic. He also kills himself and a lot as mentioned in a previous post here and on a different thread points out RoR characters often do not scale to these great powers of theirs here's a list:
no not always see Lu-Bu dodging Thor's 'can never miss throw attack' but I will again concur they do it a lot.
Heaven itself doesn't look like a planet, but a place made up of several floating islands.
They were going to destroy a city at most from the looks of that, it is symbolic not literal. It looks like Tokyo too so if we assume that's correct it might be country level if we took it hyper literal, ignored the context of them evolving another species, and assumed they were trying to kill the humans like how the dinosaurs went out. The real world asteroid released 300 ZJ, ZJ to J is 10^21, 300x10^21 = 3x10^23 = country level AP (2.9288x10^22 to 4.184x10^23 J).
it actually dose, shiva was burning himself up and was gonna turn to ass despite shiva having no idea what would happen. Plus I’d think it be referring to the earth and not heaven. Even then there’s a couple otter statements of creating and destroying the world and what not.
Um no they usually scale off of fighting each other but whatever
eh they scale off him and they don’t have much that contradicts said scaling. Eh destroying heaven would just be supporting evidence
Heaven, Earth and Helheim are all directly compared in size. Additionally, given Heaven is holding the souls of not only every human, but every animal as well as being where almost all the gods live, it would need to be at least Earth-sized to facilitate that many people. Hell, given it's floating islands, it might be larger than Earth overall. Destroying the entire thing from a single point, like Zeus was heavily implied to be capable of, would still be Planet level.
Now I have to publish several messages because The _Smashor wants it that way? Spare me your frustrations.
It was never said how he would destroy the sky, we don't even know if it would take time or not.
I request you to mark the answer where I debunked Shiva.
It was implied it could happen as a side-effect of his battle with Adam, and that form only lasts a few minutes.
My problem is that you're posting way more than is needed to make your point, and a lot of it is redundant. Posting a lot of information causes a lot of people to not bother to read it.
Not if there's still discussions going on. If we wait a bit I can bring somethings across that can help us determine where Record of Ragnarok scales
At the very least. It would be tier 7.
