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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real

Standard Zombie abilities!
Inorganic Physiology (Type 1), Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, & 8), Regeneration (High-Mid), & Resurrection (Low-Godly) (Zombies are undead beings created by a combination of a deceased soul being summoned by the Sacrament of the Immortal King, and an earthern body matching the soul's data being formed by Restoration Magic. This process is controlled automatically by a coin-sized object called a Corebug, which acts as the core of the Zombie, allowing them to function with fatal damage and regenerate from any wounds so long as it is intact. Should the Corebug be destroyed, the Zombie will die, and their soul will be pulled to a different Corebug which resurrects them once more. This entire process is powered by the Mana of the Great Spirit of Earth, "The Stone" Muspel, and each resurrection upon a Zombie's death will drain the Spirit's Mana, which while vast, is not endless)

Roswaal: “Beatrice, this isn’t the Sacrament of the Immortal King, right?”

Beatrice: “…The basis is the same, but the approach is different, in fact. For the Sacrament of the Immortal King, the vessel comes first, and the soul second, I suppose. However, as for these zombies…”

Roswaal: “The soul comes first, and the vessel after―― The body changes form to suit the soul.” –Arc 8, Chapter 17
Roswaal: “Beatrice’s observation is correct. The mechanism by which the zombies are revived without the original corpse is an application of Restoration Magic. The prerequisite for this is the invocation of the soul, which is an application of the Sacrament of the Immortal King.”

Beatrice: “Both Restoration Magic and the Sacrament of the Immortal King aren’t the kind of techniques that can be used immediately upon understanding the theory, in fact. To begin with, given the feat of combining such fundamentally different types of magic, it can’t be said that there are even a handful of geniuses who can do it, I suppose. Those who could do it would be…”

Roswaal: “――Of Teacher’s lineage. However, it cannot be Teacher. Therefore…” –Arc 8, Chapter 17
Roswaal: “Everyone, please be extremely careful. It has been frozen to stop its activity, but if the ice breaks, it is presumed that a zombie will be booorn~ here.”

Subaru: “What are you talking about… Hey, hey, hey, what the hell is that!?”

Roswaal: “Beatrice said it, didn’t she? It’s a bug. I’d even venture and call it a Corebug.”

As he stated this, in Roswaal’s hand was a small block of ice being pinched between his fingers, about the size of a coin; inside, there was a red, round object.

Upon closer inspection, he understood that it was a small round bug that looked like a caterpillar――

Roswaal: “This Corebug is lurking within the body of every zombie. And, this worm is the zombie’s lifeline… in other words, it is undoubtedly their core.”

Subaru: “These bugs are their cores, that means…”

Julius: “――I see. So, the true nature of Garfiel’s perceived discrepancy was the difference in the points at which an arrow killed the Corebug within the zombie’s body.”

While Subaru’s shock from the impact of the bugs had still yet to disappear, Julius comprehended the details in such a manner.

Hearing Julius’s words, the others also reached an understanding. Of course, Subaru also finally understood the purpose of the bugs’ existence――

Subaru: “So you’re saying that the Corebug is basically the heart of a zombie?”

Roswaal: “We will be working to unravel more about the technique, but this Corebug acquires the data of the target that is to turn into a zombie, and then reproduces the original form by making a vessel out of earth… That is our conclusion.”

Beatrice: “Indeed, in fact.”

Without objection, Beatrice nodded her head in agreement with Roswaal’s conclusion. –Arc 8, Chapter 20
Vincent: “You cannot expect the assistance of the Stone. If anything, the existence of the Stone is being put to use by the opponent… by the Great Disaster.”

Subaru: “What, do you mean? The Great Spirit――”

Vincent: “Is in the palm of the enemy’s hand. Likely, in order for the Great Disaster to inexhaustibly give rise to the undead from the grave, it is utilizing that extraordinary amount of Mana. Henceforth, they continue to appear in perpetuity.”

Everyone: “――――”

Vincent: “And――”

Eyes widened at the horrible report, Subaru looked in disbelief at Abel as the latter still proceeded to continue. But, Subaru did not possess the ability to deter his words.

In the midst of the strained air of the conference room, Abel continued without halt. That was――

Vincent: “I expressed it as «in perpetuity», but that is not accurate. No matter how much Mana is in the Stone’s possession, it will eventually run out. When that happens, the vast lands of the Empire will meet their demise―― After all, the Sanctum protected by the Stone, the power sustaining the vast lands of Vollachia, will be forfeit, and there will be no escaping collapse.” –Arc 8, Chapter 30
Dispossessed of their free will, becoming a being used and discarded as tools for the sake of battle, their soul would be called down again even were they to repeatedly taste Death, their earthen vessels revived with a new anchor. –Arc 8, Chapter 58
 
I think I've got a fairly good grasp on What The Od Is now after looking over the scan compilation, but I'm unsure what abilities (if any) this grants. I've also seen others say that the Od appears to resemble a concept, but I feel things like the existence of Artificial Od may be an antifeat to this...

In the most basic sense, the Od is the Soul is the Mind, all three names refer to the same "very root of one's self". The Od is "that which came from nothingness" and "defines one's existence in the world". The Vessel called the body is merely a container for the Od, and the different appearances of all living beings comes from this fact. The Od and Vessel are intrinsicly linked, and this is a rule even for entities with no physical body such as Spirits.

The Od and Vessel are always trying to match, and should there be a significant difference between the two then the Vessel will attempt to mutate to match the Od, although significant sudden mutations are rare– Petelgeuse looks identical to how he does even in a new body as his primary Vessels are all blood-related, and mutate more easily, unlike his normal Fingers which don't mutate in the short time we see them possessed.

There appear to be multiple "aspects" of one's Od, such as their Name, Memories, experiences, elemental character, and destiny. The two aspects of the Od which are explained the most are the Memories and Name. Memories are described as a sediment stuck to the Od, and contain only the true experiences of that Od. The Name is... something, but it appears to function like a serial number for one's Od, as using the Name is a necessary step in the activation of the Authority of Gluttony, which meddles with the Od by either eating the Memories and Name, or their "role".
 
Tangentially related. I know that we currently accept that the flow method is what allows characters to share certain skills as they get better at it, but the more I think about it this isn't the case. On the contrary, it's skill that also seems to improve one's ability with the flow method. It's not like Ram lost all of her skill when she was drained of her mana or Reid lost all of his when in Roy's body. I'm bringing this up because personally I think skill is probably another "aspect" of the od as Zabazab put it.
 
skill is probably another "aspect" of the od as Zabazab put it.
Skill would be part of the Memories, considering Gluttony's schtick.

On the contrary, it's skill that also seems to improve one's ability with the flow method.
I'm under the impression that this is how we do take it, Flow Method just lets abilities scale as a common power system (which itself we can only do because It's Actually Consistent, what with characters pulling out the same abilities or higher tiers having improved forms of lower-tier abilities).
 
Skill would be part of the Memories, considering Gluttony's schtick.
That's true, yeah.
I'm under the impression that this is how we do take it, Flow Method just lets abilities scale as a common power system (which itself we can only do because It's Actually Consistent, what with characters pulling out the same abilities or higher tiers having improved forms of lower-tier abilities).
Well I've definitely seen it explained the other way.
 
It's insane that even though Reinhard has bottomless potential, he was only able to access it initially due to the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint, unlike someone like Cecilus who was a transcendent being before puberty.

Like, if he never became the Sword Saint, Reinhard (at the age Julius first saw him) would have been unable to defeat the likes of Julius. That's just so weird to me.
 
Probably because Cecilus actually seeks strength while Reinhard just... exists ig. Even in the current days, he doesn't actually train himself properly.
 
It's insane that even though Reinhard has bottomless potential, he was only able to access it initially due to the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint, unlike someone like Cecilus who was a transcendent being before puberty.
Reinhard was a very small child with no training. Cecilus had Rowan for a dad. It's not that crazy for him to be weaker. Though it's not like Reinhard wouldn't have still been broken even then. Even Fourier was pretty strong at a very young age.
Like, if he never became the Sword Saint, Reinhard (at the age Julius first saw him) would have been unable to defeat the likes of Julius. That's just so weird to me.
What makes you say this? Although, if we're talking about post-arc 6 Julius that's probably true. I don't think it's strange though.
 
Reinhard was a very small child with no training. Cecilus had Rowan for a dad. It's not that crazy for him to be weaker. Though it's not like Reinhard wouldn't have still been broken even then. Even Fourier was pretty strong at a very young age.

What makes you say this? Although, if we're talking about post-arc 6 Julius that's probably true. I don't think it's strange though.
He’s talking abt a Q&A where Tappei said that when Julius first saw Reinhard (so around 8 years old), he was already beyond the average knight, but he’d lose to Julius and Marcos (this was a 2018 Q&A so it’s Julius before his arc 6 buff), he says how he was at a level where he could beat anyone without a name for themselves, that’s only without the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint tho.
 
What makes you say this? Although, if we're talking about post-arc 6 Julius that's probably true. I don't think it's strange though.

Q: From what Julius was saying, Reinhard was amazing from when he was little, but was he fairly strong even without the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint? Also, around how many men's strength did he have as a child?

A: If, by 'When he was a child', you're referring to when Julius first saw him, then by that point his strength was at a level where the average royal knight couldn't take him on. Well, he wouldn't be able to defeat Julius or Commander Marcos, so in other words, he was at a level where he could defeat anyone without a name. That's without the 'Divine Protection of the Sword Saint'.
 
He’s talking abt a Q&A where Tappei said that when Julius first saw Reinhard (so around 8 years old), he was already beyond the average knight, but he’d lose to Julius and Marcos (this was a 2018 Q&A so it’s Julius before his arc 6 buff), he says how he was at a level where he could beat anyone without a name for themselves, that’s only without the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint tho.
Ah, right. Still though, it does kinda make sense considering Cecilus was older when we saw him in ex 5 and still wasn't even much stronger than Julius at that point. The only issue is that this is Reinhard, not Cecilus 💀
 
considering Cecilus was older when we saw him in ex 5 and still wasn't even much stronger than Julius at that point.
Like, 12y/o Cecilus from the Imperial Selection? I wouldn't rate him that low, he's still the strongest Vollachian at that point.
 
Like, 12y/o Cecilus from the Imperial Selection? I wouldn't rate him that low, he's still the strongest Vollachian at that point.
I'm just assuming the difference between him and Arakiya is about the same as it is in current day i.e. ex 4. It seems to be. And Al thought he could beat Arakiya so she was probably a bit weaker than Julius
 
@Celestial_Pegasus
i haven't yet put the math for Subaru being unfazed by Rem knocking him into a wall hard enough to crater it (it's like megajoule-range 9-B), but once i do, can i just make the CRT to buff him and everyone else who scales to that 9-B
it'll definitely be higher than Patrasche's KE so we can probably remove that.
If you do this I would really suggest just adding on his scaling to the 9-A characters for his second key. I can pull up scans in the morning.
 
@Celestial_Pegasus
i haven't yet put the math for Subaru being unfazed by Rem knocking him into a wall hard enough to crater it (it's like megajoule-range 9-B), but once i do, can i just make the CRT to buff him and everyone else who scales to that 9-B
it'll definitely be higher than Patrasche's KE so we can probably remove that.
Sure
 
Instinctive Action from Taritta...
Taritta was blindsided by Flop, who pointed a finger at her with a snap. She was so shocked that she stopped thinking.

As proof of that, she reflexively twisted Flop’s outstretched finger and pinned him against the wall.

Flop: [Ouch, ouch, ouch!]

Taritta: [Ah, ahhh, I’m sorry! I was so startled that I just… reacted reflexively!]

Flop: [N-no, no, no, it was my fault for being careless. As expected, a Shudraq Chieftain has a different level of training. I need to learn more from you, not just your mindset.] –Arc 9, Chapter 3
 
sure if there's no super duper major spoilers
i'm still in Arc 4 (30ish% thru Vol 12) so
With as few spoilers as possible,

Subaru is directly compared to Rom, who the 9-A feat comes from in the first place and who is frequently described as being weak. From the 2018 Rom qna:
Q: Old Man Rom's combat strength?

A: It's just five, he's trash. Oh, that was Subaru's combat strength.

Q: Around how strong is he now?

A: Out of the named characters, he's far closer to the bottom of the list.
But even later in the series Subaru is frequently shown to be able to contend with stronger characters than Rom.

Abel is described as being average right at the start of arc 7, in chapter 2.
Even so, it was what Subaru felt after facing the masked man in a conversation. He observed that the man in front of him was unquestionably able to use a sword, but his skill was average, having gotten to that point with a certain amount of training.
He has a sword at this point in time and after simply giving Subaru a knife the narration says he has a chance at beating him
Masked Man: “I do not mind. Sometimes, I would like to be the one who bestows to another. Or, will you make an effort to deprive me of every one of my belongings with the knife?”
It sounded like he was joking, but it was true that he had given Subaru the power to carry it out.
The masked man had a certain amount of skill, but it couldn’t be declared that Subaru didn’t have a chance against him, no matter how slim it was. In that sense, the man’s actions were akin to a type of gamble.
He also does this later:
Abel stomped hard on the balcony floor, keeping his eyes on the enclosing Arakiya. Immediately after doing so, cracks spread further across the half-destroyed balcony, and the place he took as his foothold collapsed instantaneously.
Naturally, Abel, being on top of it, fell helplessly―― so had been thought, but that was not what happened.
Abel’s body instead remained suspended in midair. His outstretched right hand had grasped the curtain, which hung from the top floor.
- Arc 7 chapter 25
Subaru also blocks a blow from Todd
Subaru: “――I knew it.”
Subaru received the axe strike that rained down on him with the machete Medium had dropped on the platform.
Subaru had guessed that the instant he and his companions had succeeded in their escape, the moment where they would let down their guard the most, would be capitalized, and a single blow would be driven into the target―― Subaru’s head.
- Arc 7 chapter 18
Who is described as above average in No Mercy 3
He had a lithe, well-built body, thus she could see he was above the norm in ability for a soldier of the Empire.
We can safely assume at this point he's well beyond someone like Rom.

I'm pretty sure all of these guys need a subsonic speed revision as well because both Rom and the witch cultists in the anime appeared pretty clearly faster than the eye. Although, that would probably require another calc.
 
There are a number of reasons that hasn't happened but primarily because I wanted to do a bunch of other stuff with it, including Al who is super controversial. It just felt not worth it, especially without a 9-B feat for early Subaru like we are about to have now.
9-Baru and 9-Aldebaran (Sometimes 7-Aldebaran, we should put Tappei in a mason jar and shake it really hard).

Al was said in a past q&a to be like on Mimi's level and is also said to die from like a 20m drop. I will only ever touch Al's p&a rather than his stats.
 
9-Baru and 9-Aldebaran (Sometimes 7-Aldebaran, we should put Tappei in a mason jar and shake it really hard).

Al was said in a past q&a to be like on Mimi's level and is also said to die from like a 20m drop. I will only ever touch Al's p&a rather than his stats.
Never forget that Al is objectively only on Mimi's level with the absolute limit of his looping.
 
i have the 9-B part of things written up (who'd have thought it's easy to say "this guy did a 9-B feat, he should be 9-B"), i just need to get the second one approved.
scan snip
this all makes sense to me personally, yeah. subaru being able to take on characters that are described as average or beyond that as opposed to rom being literal doodoo-ass. if anyone has any contentions in the CRT though i'm not gonna be able to argue it because i haven't read that far so uhhh someone else'll have to do it :3
also if you could link the Rom QnA that'd be appreciated
I'm pretty sure all of these guys need a subsonic speed revision as well because both Rom and the witch cultists in the anime appeared pretty clearly faster than the eye. Although, that would probably require another calc.
if you can point to where it happens i can take a look
 
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also if you could link the Rom QnA that'd be appreciated
This is the Q&A doc, there's like 5400 entries so just ctrl+f "oh, that was subaru".

Funny that these 3 are all from the same birthday Q&A
Q: Old Man Rom's combat strength?

A: It's just five, he's trash. Oh, that was Subaru's combat strength.

Q: Around how strong is he now?

A: Out of the named characters, he's far closer to the bottom of the list.

Q: Thanks for your hard work! Using Subaru as a basis, around what level is Old Man Rom's muscle strength?

A: If you use Subaru as the basis, comparing to anyone is too much trouble. Subaru is too weak.
 
This is the Q&A doc, there's like 5400 entries so just ctrl+f "oh, that was subaru".

Funny that these 3 are all from the same birthday Q&A
actually
does the first statement not imply that tappei was misreading subaru's stats as rom's?
the second one putting him near the bottom of the strength hierarchy is pretty clear-cut, the former just seems a bit shakier to me when i read it
 
actually
does the first statement not imply that tappei was misreading subaru's stats as rom's?
the second one putting him near the bottom of the strength hierarchy is pretty clear-cut, the former just seems a bit shakier to me when i read it
I don't even think Subaru is stronger than Rom.

Q: How effective is Reinhard’s boot camp? How much stronger are Ton, Chin, and Kan compared to themselves a year ago?

A: They’re now stronger than Subaru.

Q: Leaving out Reinhard, I'd like to know the strength rankings in the Felt camp.

A: Ezzo Cardner > Flam and Grassis > Gaston > Felt > Old Man Rom > Rachins > Camberly; something along those lines.
 
What does she do?
to keep briefly, because i eating, she have this Power to transmute others and herself.

She torments her victims by transforming into pieces of flesh, five feet sized flies, and also turned one of her victim into a black dragon to trick Subaru and Crush into thinking he was Capella and had him murdered without remorse.

She also does without remorse.
 
Who else is uh really evil in re:zero the one who I know that comes to mind is corneas but who else?
Stride (living corpse), Echidna(witch of greed), any of the archbishops, Kurgan (psychopath and rapist), Olbart(90yr old and beats 99% of the verse), Valgren (evil dragon),
Here are the Archbishops:
Cappella
Sirius
Regulus Corneas
Petelgeuse
Ley Batenkaitos
Roy Alphard
 
Who else is uh really evil in re:zero the one who I know that comes to mind is corneas but who else?
Every archbishop (Petelgeuse, Sirius, Capella, the Gluttony siblings, Regulus and Stride)
Tappei created them with the intention that they’re all irredeemable pieces of shit (which they are). None of them feel any remorse for any of their actions, they live by their own principles and even think of their fellow bishops as scum.

Petelgeuse (sloth) has killed more people than every other bishop combined. Committing all these murders and crimes for the sake of Satella’s “love”.

The Gluttony siblings ate the names and memories of thousands of people for their own pleasure. They consider everyone they meet as a potential “meal”.

Sirius (wrath) is also a complete freak, while her words at first may seem logical (like Regulus’ or Pandora’s), she’s a piece of shit. She has a weird obsession with love and uses her authority to brainwash people into feeling the same emotions as her. She also has no qualms with taking kids hostage.

Regulus (greed) is honestly one of the worst ones because he genuinely believes that he’s doing nothing wrong. He’s all over the place, he seems reasonable at first, but then you realize he’s a complete hypocrite. He believes he’s but an average person that other people shouldn’t bother as he’s but a “humble selfless man”, but then you have him killing people for violating his made up “rights” as a person, kidnapping hundreds of women and taking them as his wives (their lives are really shitty too), etc… He once pulled up to a Vollachian city and murdered thousands of people there due to a meteor (object created by a witch) being sighted there. Funny how just like himself, his backstory seems to at first paint a picture that he’s a poor person that was abused but the more it continues the more you realize that he was always like this. He killed his entire family because he genuinely believed that their actions of compassion towards him were them pitying him. Yapped a bit too much abt him…

Stride (pride) is also an arrogant and disgusting person. He enjoys bringing harm to people and seeing them suffer, such as when he was controlling Carol’s body, making her killing dozens of innocents when he could have just killed them himself just to make her suffer. Being a Vollachian royal, he’s also very prideful (big surprise there!), treating everyone around him (except Kurgan) like trash. You could maybe argue he’s less worse than the others because he’s doing all of this to “free” the world from the Observers but ehhhhh

Last but definitely not least, Capella (lust)… probably the worst one. She’s completely obsessed with wanting everyone to love her. She would do any despicable thing possible to make you love her. She makes Elsa (********* serial killer who enjoys cutting people’s guts) seem sane and forces her to join her organization. She also basically tortures Meili (a child) by transforming her into countless frogs each having a strange united consciousness. Every person that displeases her gets turned into a chunk of meat (still conscious btw) and she laughs as she stomps on them. She also turned multiple people into flies because… why not ig?

There are also many other evil people in Re Zero, but the archbishops were made to be the worst of the worst, “pure evil” so to say. Pandora could also be here but there’s too many unknowns abt her (so far she seems very evil tho), anyways mb I yapped a bit too much…
 
if you can point to where it happens i can take a look
Looking at the Rom example again it kinda just looks superhuman at best ngl but it's at about 7 minutes into ep 3. However, ep 14 at about 23 minutes in when the witch cultists just disappear definitely looks faster than the eye. The fight scene in ep 15 starting at about 7:30 definitely looks like it could have a couple examples where their daggers are moving at similar speeds too.
actually
does the first statement not imply that tappei was misreading subaru's stats as rom's?
the second one putting him near the bottom of the strength hierarchy is pretty clear-cut, the former just seems a bit shakier to me when i read it
I do think Subaru is physically weaker than Rom, at least in arc 5, but he should definitely scale. He pretty blatantly keeps up with and blocks blows from much stronger opponents.
I don't even think Subaru is stronger than Rom.
Tappei is notorious for ******** on Subaru to an unnecessary extent. If you go by what he says whenever he's dunking on him he's just a normal dude, not even an athletic one. He also keeps switching up the order of those low tiers of the Felt camp. Like here he says Rom is stronger than Rachins but he also says
Q: I'd like to know Old Man Rom's standard strength!

A: It's more or less reasonable amongst the non-combatants. As of arc five, he's weaker than Ton and Chin out of Ton, Chin, and Kan. I'm not sure about Kan.
Subaru also pretty casually beat Rachins in arc 5
He had to save what lives he could. Accordingly, Subaru emotionally resigned himself to inflicting moderate amounts of damage. Charging toward the center of the throng, he locked onto Lachins, running at the head of the crowd.
His target was someone whose face he knew. He couldn’t call their relationship a good one, but Subaru’s heart struggled with the idea of harming him all the same.
“This is gonna hurt, but better than if it’s someone I don’t know! Sorry, Larry!”
“Who’s Larry?! I’m… Habhhh?!”
As Lachins shouted on reflex, Subaru unfurled his whip, wrapping it around his victim’s ankles. Subaru proceeded to yank the whip upward as hard as he could, dragging Lachins, who’d lost his balance, into the people surrounding him.
“Take a time-out and cool your heads!”
Charging toward him, Subaru rammed Lachins in the back, knocking him into the waterway. While Lachins raised a cry, Subaru kicked several others who were tottering down to join Lachins, removing more and more people from the front lines.

- Volume 17 chapter 2
And the wn dunks on Regulus's skills by saying they're about the same as Rachins, only to then say Subaru could face him.
Beatrice: “Subaru, are you okay, in fact?”
Subaru: “Cough… somehow. And as for that guy, he’s powerful, but his attacks are kinda flat. Among all those I’ve faced so far, it’s about the same as Larkins.”
Spitting out the remainder of the blood clogging his throat, Subaru pointed out Regulus’s poor fighting skill. Regulus’s ability was so inexperienced and amateurish, that even Subaru could face someone of his level. As long as Subaru kept his concentration, those murderous fingertips could maybe be continually avoided.

- Arc 5 chapter 25
Admittedly, the ln changes this to just say that Regulus is less skilled than any of the trio or Subaru.

Also
Q: Otto’s fighting ability is roughly between who and who?

A: If I said it’s between Rachins and Gaston, you probably wouldn’t understand, I guess. What to say. Compared to any of the named characters, he’s weak, but he’s fairly strong compared to an ordinary person. He’s stronger than Subaru

Q: Now that Subaru can use a whip, could he give Otto a good fight?

A: Without the whip he’d lose by a narrow margin, but with the whip, Otto would use the Blessing of the Spirit of Words, and I guess he’s still lose by a narrow margin.
Otto is within the gap between Gaston and Rachins, which is pretty large, and Subaru is only slightly weaker than him in Tappei's mind.

Ultimately, where you want to argue Subaru is exactly in the bottom tier strength ranking is debatable because Tappei is a bit inconsistent about it but Subaru is still consistently around the same level as the rest of them who currently scale to 9-A.
 
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