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Well let's see what the calc guys think of your calc, and if they want to do something different for Tanza.
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Inorganic Physiology (Type 1), Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, & 8), Regeneration (High-Mid), & Resurrection (Low-Godly) (Zombies are undead beings created by a combination of a deceased soul being summoned by the Sacrament of the Immortal King, and an earthern body matching the soul's data being formed by Restoration Magic. This process is controlled automatically by a coin-sized object called a Corebug, which acts as the core of the Zombie, allowing them to function with fatal damage and regenerate from any wounds so long as it is intact. Should the Corebug be destroyed, the Zombie will die, and their soul will be pulled to a different Corebug which resurrects them once more. This entire process is powered by the Mana of the Great Spirit of Earth, "The Stone" Muspel, and each resurrection upon a Zombie's death will drain the Spirit's Mana, which while vast, is not endless)
Roswaal: “Beatrice, this isn’t the Sacrament of the Immortal King, right?”
Beatrice: “…The basis is the same, but the approach is different, in fact. For the Sacrament of the Immortal King, the vessel comes first, and the soul second, I suppose. However, as for these zombies…”
Roswaal: “The soul comes first, and the vessel after―― The body changes form to suit the soul.” –Arc 8, Chapter 17
Roswaal: “Beatrice’s observation is correct. The mechanism by which the zombies are revived without the original corpse is an application of Restoration Magic. The prerequisite for this is the invocation of the soul, which is an application of the Sacrament of the Immortal King.”
Beatrice: “Both Restoration Magic and the Sacrament of the Immortal King aren’t the kind of techniques that can be used immediately upon understanding the theory, in fact. To begin with, given the feat of combining such fundamentally different types of magic, it can’t be said that there are even a handful of geniuses who can do it, I suppose. Those who could do it would be…”
Roswaal: “――Of Teacher’s lineage. However, it cannot be Teacher. Therefore…” –Arc 8, Chapter 17
Roswaal: “Everyone, please be extremely careful. It has been frozen to stop its activity, but if the ice breaks, it is presumed that a zombie will be booorn~ here.”
Subaru: “What are you talking about… Hey, hey, hey, what the hell is that!?”
Roswaal: “Beatrice said it, didn’t she? It’s a bug. I’d even venture and call it a Corebug.”
As he stated this, in Roswaal’s hand was a small block of ice being pinched between his fingers, about the size of a coin; inside, there was a red, round object.
Upon closer inspection, he understood that it was a small round bug that looked like a caterpillar――
Roswaal: “This Corebug is lurking within the body of every zombie. And, this worm is the zombie’s lifeline… in other words, it is undoubtedly their core.”
Subaru: “These bugs are their cores, that means…”
Julius: “――I see. So, the true nature of Garfiel’s perceived discrepancy was the difference in the points at which an arrow killed the Corebug within the zombie’s body.”
While Subaru’s shock from the impact of the bugs had still yet to disappear, Julius comprehended the details in such a manner.
Hearing Julius’s words, the others also reached an understanding. Of course, Subaru also finally understood the purpose of the bugs’ existence――
Subaru: “So you’re saying that the Corebug is basically the heart of a zombie?”
Roswaal: “We will be working to unravel more about the technique, but this Corebug acquires the data of the target that is to turn into a zombie, and then reproduces the original form by making a vessel out of earth… That is our conclusion.”
Beatrice: “Indeed, in fact.”
Without objection, Beatrice nodded her head in agreement with Roswaal’s conclusion. –Arc 8, Chapter 20
Vincent: “You cannot expect the assistance of the Stone. If anything, the existence of the Stone is being put to use by the opponent… by the Great Disaster.”
Subaru: “What, do you mean? The Great Spirit――”
Vincent: “Is in the palm of the enemy’s hand. Likely, in order for the Great Disaster to inexhaustibly give rise to the undead from the grave, it is utilizing that extraordinary amount of Mana. Henceforth, they continue to appear in perpetuity.”
Everyone: “――――”
Vincent: “And――”
Eyes widened at the horrible report, Subaru looked in disbelief at Abel as the latter still proceeded to continue. But, Subaru did not possess the ability to deter his words.
In the midst of the strained air of the conference room, Abel continued without halt. That was――
Vincent: “I expressed it as «in perpetuity», but that is not accurate. No matter how much Mana is in the Stone’s possession, it will eventually run out. When that happens, the vast lands of the Empire will meet their demise―― After all, the Sanctum protected by the Stone, the power sustaining the vast lands of Vollachia, will be forfeit, and there will be no escaping collapse.” –Arc 8, Chapter 30
Dispossessed of their free will, becoming a being used and discarded as tools for the sake of battle, their soul would be called down again even were they to repeatedly taste Death, their earthen vessels revived with a new anchor. –Arc 8, Chapter 58
Skill would be part of the Memories, considering Gluttony's schtick.skill is probably another "aspect" of the od as Zabazab put it.
I'm under the impression that this is how we do take it, Flow Method just lets abilities scale as a common power system (which itself we can only do because It's Actually Consistent, what with characters pulling out the same abilities or higher tiers having improved forms of lower-tier abilities).On the contrary, it's skill that also seems to improve one's ability with the flow method.
That's true, yeah.Skill would be part of the Memories, considering Gluttony's schtick.
Well I've definitely seen it explained the other way.I'm under the impression that this is how we do take it, Flow Method just lets abilities scale as a common power system (which itself we can only do because It's Actually Consistent, what with characters pulling out the same abilities or higher tiers having improved forms of lower-tier abilities).
Reinhard was a very small child with no training. Cecilus had Rowan for a dad. It's not that crazy for him to be weaker. Though it's not like Reinhard wouldn't have still been broken even then. Even Fourier was pretty strong at a very young age.It's insane that even though Reinhard has bottomless potential, he was only able to access it initially due to the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint, unlike someone like Cecilus who was a transcendent being before puberty.
What makes you say this? Although, if we're talking about post-arc 6 Julius that's probably true. I don't think it's strange though.Like, if he never became the Sword Saint, Reinhard (at the age Julius first saw him) would have been unable to defeat the likes of Julius. That's just so weird to me.
He’s talking abt a Q&A where Tappei said that when Julius first saw Reinhard (so around 8 years old), he was already beyond the average knight, but he’d lose to Julius and Marcos (this was a 2018 Q&A so it’s Julius before his arc 6 buff), he says how he was at a level where he could beat anyone without a name for themselves, that’s only without the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint tho.Reinhard was a very small child with no training. Cecilus had Rowan for a dad. It's not that crazy for him to be weaker. Though it's not like Reinhard wouldn't have still been broken even then. Even Fourier was pretty strong at a very young age.
What makes you say this? Although, if we're talking about post-arc 6 Julius that's probably true. I don't think it's strange though.
What makes you say this? Although, if we're talking about post-arc 6 Julius that's probably true. I don't think it's strange though.
Q: From what Julius was saying, Reinhard was amazing from when he was little, but was he fairly strong even without the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint? Also, around how many men's strength did he have as a child?
A: If, by 'When he was a child', you're referring to when Julius first saw him, then by that point his strength was at a level where the average royal knight couldn't take him on. Well, he wouldn't be able to defeat Julius or Commander Marcos, so in other words, he was at a level where he could defeat anyone without a name. That's without the 'Divine Protection of the Sword Saint'.
Ah, right. Still though, it does kinda make sense considering Cecilus was older when we saw him in ex 5 and still wasn't even much stronger than Julius at that point. The only issue is that this is Reinhard, not CecilusHe’s talking abt a Q&A where Tappei said that when Julius first saw Reinhard (so around 8 years old), he was already beyond the average knight, but he’d lose to Julius and Marcos (this was a 2018 Q&A so it’s Julius before his arc 6 buff), he says how he was at a level where he could beat anyone without a name for themselves, that’s only without the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint tho.
Like, 12y/o Cecilus from the Imperial Selection? I wouldn't rate him that low, he's still the strongest Vollachian at that point.considering Cecilus was older when we saw him in ex 5 and still wasn't even much stronger than Julius at that point.
I'm just assuming the difference between him and Arakiya is about the same as it is in current day i.e. ex 4. It seems to be. And Al thought he could beat Arakiya so she was probably a bit weaker than JuliusLike, 12y/o Cecilus from the Imperial Selection? I wouldn't rate him that low, he's still the strongest Vollachian at that point.
If you do this I would really suggest just adding on his scaling to the 9-A characters for his second key. I can pull up scans in the morning.@Celestial_Pegasus
i haven't yet put the math for Subaru being unfazed by Rem knocking him into a wall hard enough to crater it (it's like megajoule-range 9-B), but once i do, can i just make the CRT to buff him and everyone else who scales to that 9-B
it'll definitely be higher than Patrasche's KE so we can probably remove that.
sure if there's no super duper major spoilersIf you do this I would really suggest just adding on his scaling to the 9-A characters for his second key. I can pull up scans in the morning.
you have been saying this for the past 200 monthsIf you do this I would really suggest just adding on his scaling to the 9-A characters for his second key. I can pull up scans in the morning.
Sure@Celestial_Pegasus
i haven't yet put the math for Subaru being unfazed by Rem knocking him into a wall hard enough to crater it (it's like megajoule-range 9-B), but once i do, can i just make the CRT to buff him and everyone else who scales to that 9-B
it'll definitely be higher than Patrasche's KE so we can probably remove that.
Taritta was blindsided by Flop, who pointed a finger at her with a snap. She was so shocked that she stopped thinking.
As proof of that, she reflexively twisted Flop’s outstretched finger and pinned him against the wall.
Flop: [Ouch, ouch, ouch!]
Taritta: [Ah, ahhh, I’m sorry! I was so startled that I just… reacted reflexively!]
Flop: [N-no, no, no, it was my fault for being careless. As expected, a Shudraq Chieftain has a different level of training. I need to learn more from you, not just your mindset.] –Arc 9, Chapter 3
With as few spoilers as possible,sure if there's no super duper major spoilers
i'm still in Arc 4 (30ish% thru Vol 12) so
But even later in the series Subaru is frequently shown to be able to contend with stronger characters than Rom.Q: Old Man Rom's combat strength?
A: It's just five, he's trash. Oh, that was Subaru's combat strength.
Q: Around how strong is he now?
A: Out of the named characters, he's far closer to the bottom of the list.
He has a sword at this point in time and after simply giving Subaru a knife the narration says he has a chance at beating himEven so, it was what Subaru felt after facing the masked man in a conversation. He observed that the man in front of him was unquestionably able to use a sword, but his skill was average, having gotten to that point with a certain amount of training.
He also does this later:Masked Man: “I do not mind. Sometimes, I would like to be the one who bestows to another. Or, will you make an effort to deprive me of every one of my belongings with the knife?”
It sounded like he was joking, but it was true that he had given Subaru the power to carry it out.
The masked man had a certain amount of skill, but it couldn’t be declared that Subaru didn’t have a chance against him, no matter how slim it was. In that sense, the man’s actions were akin to a type of gamble.
Subaru also blocks a blow from ToddAbel stomped hard on the balcony floor, keeping his eyes on the enclosing Arakiya. Immediately after doing so, cracks spread further across the half-destroyed balcony, and the place he took as his foothold collapsed instantaneously.
Naturally, Abel, being on top of it, fell helplessly―― so had been thought, but that was not what happened.
Abel’s body instead remained suspended in midair. His outstretched right hand had grasped the curtain, which hung from the top floor.
- Arc 7 chapter 25
Who is described as above average in No Mercy 3Subaru: “――I knew it.”
Subaru received the axe strike that rained down on him with the machete Medium had dropped on the platform.
Subaru had guessed that the instant he and his companions had succeeded in their escape, the moment where they would let down their guard the most, would be capitalized, and a single blow would be driven into the target―― Subaru’s head.
- Arc 7 chapter 18
We can safely assume at this point he's well beyond someone like Rom.He had a lithe, well-built body, thus she could see he was above the norm in ability for a soldier of the Empire.
There are a number of reasons that hasn't happened but primarily because I wanted to do a bunch of other stuff with it, including Al who is super controversial. It just felt not worth it, especially without a 9-B feat for early Subaru like we are about to have now.you have been saying this for the past 200 months
9-Baru and 9-Aldebaran (Sometimes 7-Aldebaran, we should put Tappei in a mason jar and shake it really hard).There are a number of reasons that hasn't happened but primarily because I wanted to do a bunch of other stuff with it, including Al who is super controversial. It just felt not worth it, especially without a 9-B feat for early Subaru like we are about to have now.
Never forget that Al is objectively only on Mimi's level with the absolute limit of his looping.9-Baru and 9-Aldebaran (Sometimes 7-Aldebaran, we should put Tappei in a mason jar and shake it really hard).
Al was said in a past q&a to be like on Mimi's level and is also said to die from like a 20m drop. I will only ever touch Al's p&a rather than his stats.
this all makes sense to me personally, yeah. subaru being able to take on characters that are described as average or beyond that as opposed to rom being literal doodoo-ass. if anyone has any contentions in the CRT though i'm not gonna be able to argue it because i haven't read that far so uhhh someone else'll have to do it :3scan snip
if you can point to where it happens i can take a lookI'm pretty sure all of these guys need a subsonic speed revision as well because both Rom and the witch cultists in the anime appeared pretty clearly faster than the eye. Although, that would probably require another calc.
This is the Q&A doc, there's like 5400 entries so just ctrl+f "oh, that was subaru".also if you could link the Rom QnA that'd be appreciated
Q: Old Man Rom's combat strength?
A: It's just five, he's trash. Oh, that was Subaru's combat strength.
Q: Around how strong is he now?
A: Out of the named characters, he's far closer to the bottom of the list.
Q: Thanks for your hard work! Using Subaru as a basis, around what level is Old Man Rom's muscle strength?
A: If you use Subaru as the basis, comparing to anyone is too much trouble. Subaru is too weak.
actuallyThis is the Q&A doc, there's like 5400 entries so just ctrl+f "oh, that was subaru".
Funny that these 3 are all from the same birthday Q&A
I don't even think Subaru is stronger than Rom.actually
does the first statement not imply that tappei was misreading subaru's stats as rom's?
the second one putting him near the bottom of the strength hierarchy is pretty clear-cut, the former just seems a bit shakier to me when i read it
Q: How effective is Reinhard’s boot camp? How much stronger are Ton, Chin, and Kan compared to themselves a year ago?
A: They’re now stronger than Subaru.
Q: Leaving out Reinhard, I'd like to know the strength rankings in the Felt camp.
A: Ezzo Cardner > Flam and Grassis > Gaston > Felt > Old Man Rom > Rachins > Camberly; something along those lines.
y'know whatI don't even think Subaru is stronger than Rom.
There this girl, Carpella.Who else is uh really evil in re:zero the one who I know that comes to mind is corneas but who else?
What does she do?There this girl, Carpella.
She kinda horrible.
to keep briefly, because i eating, she have this Power to transmute others and herself.What does she do?
Stride (living corpse), Echidna(witch of greed), any of the archbishops, Kurgan (psychopath and rapist), Olbart(90yr old and beats 99% of the verse), Valgren (evil dragon),Who else is uh really evil in re:zero the one who I know that comes to mind is corneas but who else?
Every archbishop (Petelgeuse, Sirius, Capella, the Gluttony siblings, Regulus and Stride)Who else is uh really evil in re:zero the one who I know that comes to mind is corneas but who else?
Based. Subaru should've been Tier 9 long ago.i have the 9-B part of things written up (who'd have thought it's easy to say "this guy did a 9-B feat, he should be 9-B"), i just need to get the second one approved.
Looking at the Rom example again it kinda just looks superhuman at best ngl but it's at about 7 minutes into ep 3. However, ep 14 at about 23 minutes in when the witch cultists just disappear definitely looks faster than the eye. The fight scene in ep 15 starting at about 7:30 definitely looks like it could have a couple examples where their daggers are moving at similar speeds too.if you can point to where it happens i can take a look
I do think Subaru is physically weaker than Rom, at least in arc 5, but he should definitely scale. He pretty blatantly keeps up with and blocks blows from much stronger opponents.actually
does the first statement not imply that tappei was misreading subaru's stats as rom's?
the second one putting him near the bottom of the strength hierarchy is pretty clear-cut, the former just seems a bit shakier to me when i read it
Tappei is notorious for ******** on Subaru to an unnecessary extent. If you go by what he says whenever he's dunking on him he's just a normal dude, not even an athletic one. He also keeps switching up the order of those low tiers of the Felt camp. Like here he says Rom is stronger than Rachins but he also saysI don't even think Subaru is stronger than Rom.
Subaru also pretty casually beat Rachins in arc 5Q: I'd like to know Old Man Rom's standard strength!
A: It's more or less reasonable amongst the non-combatants. As of arc five, he's weaker than Ton and Chin out of Ton, Chin, and Kan. I'm not sure about Kan.
And the wn dunks on Regulus's skills by saying they're about the same as Rachins, only to then say Subaru could face him.He had to save what lives he could. Accordingly, Subaru emotionally resigned himself to inflicting moderate amounts of damage. Charging toward the center of the throng, he locked onto Lachins, running at the head of the crowd.
His target was someone whose face he knew. He couldn’t call their relationship a good one, but Subaru’s heart struggled with the idea of harming him all the same.
“This is gonna hurt, but better than if it’s someone I don’t know! Sorry, Larry!”
“Who’s Larry?! I’m… Habhhh?!”
As Lachins shouted on reflex, Subaru unfurled his whip, wrapping it around his victim’s ankles. Subaru proceeded to yank the whip upward as hard as he could, dragging Lachins, who’d lost his balance, into the people surrounding him.
“Take a time-out and cool your heads!”
Charging toward him, Subaru rammed Lachins in the back, knocking him into the waterway. While Lachins raised a cry, Subaru kicked several others who were tottering down to join Lachins, removing more and more people from the front lines.
- Volume 17 chapter 2
Admittedly, the ln changes this to just say that Regulus is less skilled than any of the trio or Subaru.Beatrice: “Subaru, are you okay, in fact?”
Subaru: “Cough… somehow. And as for that guy, he’s powerful, but his attacks are kinda flat. Among all those I’ve faced so far, it’s about the same as Larkins.”
Spitting out the remainder of the blood clogging his throat, Subaru pointed out Regulus’s poor fighting skill. Regulus’s ability was so inexperienced and amateurish, that even Subaru could face someone of his level. As long as Subaru kept his concentration, those murderous fingertips could maybe be continually avoided.
- Arc 5 chapter 25
Otto is within the gap between Gaston and Rachins, which is pretty large, and Subaru is only slightly weaker than him in Tappei's mind.Q: Otto’s fighting ability is roughly between who and who?
A: If I said it’s between Rachins and Gaston, you probably wouldn’t understand, I guess. What to say. Compared to any of the named characters, he’s weak, but he’s fairly strong compared to an ordinary person. He’s stronger than Subaru
Q: Now that Subaru can use a whip, could he give Otto a good fight?
A: Without the whip he’d lose by a narrow margin, but with the whip, Otto would use the Blessing of the Spirit of Words, and I guess he’s still lose by a narrow margin.