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They still should be possibly, because of the wiki rules.
I kinda joking before, but does Satella have a reason to be solid High 6-C and not possibly?
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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real
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I kinda joking before, but does Satella have a reason to be solid High 6-C and not possibly?
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Anyways I finally just read the LN version of Arc 5 (fake fan, I know) and damn, they really minorly changed the exact details of and vocabulary used for Regulus' Authority of Greed.
How am I gonna get used to this when I've been saying Stillness of an Object's Time for years??
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Volchanica just has a bad matchup against Volchanica, probably due to hax. Remember the fact that Reid could easily beat Regulus but Reinhard struggled pretty hard against him. I just don't think there's the evidence for upgrading Sekhmet.
But Volchanica, Reid, and Satella should scale.
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We don't even know if the Dragon Sword boost stats.
One character could be High 6-C, and the other competes with an op weapon, not that they are overall High 6C including durability, not to mention hax also coming into play, how does it all compare?
The problem is we don't see these guys tussle together, so we don't know.
One character could be High 6-C, and the other competes with an op weapon, not that they are overall High 6C including durability, not to mention hax also coming into play, how does it all compare?
The problem is we don't see these guys tussle together, so we don't know.
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I mean does the dragon sword's durability not scale to the Reinhard feat? Volchanica was able to scratch it. He (alongside every other dragon) has only ever used raw power kind of attacks, not some crazy hax like authorities.
I can definitely see Satella being helped a lot by hax though.
I can definitely see Satella being helped a lot by hax though.
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Volcanica can twist space to ignore durability, and sealed Echidna, so he isn't just a normal Dragon.
Normal swords beak after one use from Reinhard's power, so you can say the sword can contain Reinhard's power, is the sword physically a High 6-C cause it can unleash a High 6-C attack though? That's pretty iffy.
The sword also somehow can not get destroyed by Regulus attack, which destroy whatever they touch and ignore durability, so does it really even have just regular durability, or is it this haxed/indestructible weapon?
Too many questions...
Normal swords beak after one use from Reinhard's power, so you can say the sword can contain Reinhard's power, is the sword physically a High 6-C cause it can unleash a High 6-C attack though? That's pretty iffy.
The sword also somehow can not get destroyed by Regulus attack, which destroy whatever they touch and ignore durability, so does it really even have just regular durability, or is it this haxed/indestructible weapon?
Too many questions...
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why?
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Most likely Reid is just straight up blessed/enchanted to be indestructable by any means in the verse.
Reinhard can't break it despite being the strongest, and Regulus can't even break it's sheathe despite all matter being deleted upon contact with Lion Heart.
Which sidenote, Reinhard somehow just knowing when Lion Heart is making Regulus immovable despite there being zero possible cue is an insane intuition feat.
But Tappei very much considers hax when talking about power, so it is what it is.
Reinhard can't break it despite being the strongest, and Regulus can't even break it's sheathe despite all matter being deleted upon contact with Lion Heart.
Which sidenote, Reinhard somehow just knowing when Lion Heart is making Regulus immovable despite there being zero possible cue is an insane intuition feat.
Probably from the numerable statements that Reinhard is #1 and Satella is his equal. One notable one says that, in terms of power, Reinhard vs Satella is like Disgaea vs Final Fantasy.
But Tappei very much considers hax when talking about power, so it is what it is.
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Yeah, I mean you're right. I think I do know you're right. I guess it's just frustrating having their profiles so tremendously innaccurate when I know people are going to continue to make matches with them anyway...
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Can you show me scan?
I asking to see if he have other evidence to this, to suddendly saiying this of nowhere.
Compability is a wonderfull thing in battles.
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In other verses like Shonen you have characters facing off against enemies and constantly getting stronger, so you know how strong they and their enemies are at certain points in time.
You might also have a god tier or whatever, which does interact with the cast, but may do so from afar such as with avatars, so while you may not know how strong their true form is, you do know the avatar.
Like for example in A Wild Last Boss Appeared, Alovenus avatar shows up all the time, but her true form doesn't till endgame, so you just tier those, and ignore the true form until its fully explored.
In Re Zero though, the God tiers aren't some deities which interact with the world from far away, they are around, but yet we still don't know just how powerful they truly are, and probably won't till endgame, because that in itself seems to be among the mysteries of the series.
So yea it's very frustrating.
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Reinhard nose is powefull.
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This reminds me of the possibility that Regulus can kill with looks.
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Since the LN changed/added to several aspects of Regulus' Authority, I think the description of it on his profile is now outdated (due to being based on the WN), so I wrote up a potential new explanation.
If I missed anything/got anything wrong about his Authority please tell me.
If I missed anything/got anything wrong about his Authority please tell me.
Authority of Greed: Regulus' Authority of Greed can be divided into two abilities- his simultaneously offensive and defensive time-stopping power "Lion's Heart", and his power to share his wives hearts "Little King".
Lion's Heart: This ability allows Regulus to stop the time of any object he is touching, be it dirt, sand, water, blood, humans, or himself, cutting it off from the world's flow of time and turning it into a distortion in space. Because the object's time is stopped, it cannot be changed at all- meaning it cannot be damaged, it ignores all physical laws in the world, and generally cannot be interacted in the most basic of ways like becoming wet in water.
Defensive use of Lion's Heart: Regulus has Lion's Heart active on his own heart constantly and passively. Stopping his heart's time grants him the total invincibility of Lion's Heart and only allows his body to recieve the force and knockback of attacks while remaining invincible. However, he can consciously activate Lion's Heart upon the rest of his body to become totally unmovable, as all objects that come into contact with him will be completely rejected by his body and utterly erased without a trace. Due to his body's nature of rejecting any object he touches, he must stop the time of whatever he is standing on or touching, as to not fall through to the center of the earth or destroy the object he is touching respectively. The invincibility granted by Lion's Heart extends beyond just making his body invulnerable, but also makes interacting directly with his senses, mind, and soul, totally impossible, as well as allowing him to survive without ever feeling a need to eat, drink, sleep, breathe- he won't even sweat or age under the effect of Lion's Heart. The weakness of this seemingly perfect defense is that Regulus can only stop his heart's time for 5 seconds before he must unfreeze it as he risks heart failure, but this can be circumvented through his secondary ability "Little King".
Offensive use of Lion's Heart: Regulus uses Lion's Heart on every-day objects such as dirt, sand, or pebbles, in order to transform them into deadly projectiles that pierce any and all defenses. Because an object under the effect of Lion's Heart cannot experience change and outside influence, ignoring the rules of the world, it will pierce straight through any object or person it comes into contact with- shredding buildings and people alike, turning them into rubble and red bloody mist. Essentially anything can be imbued with Lion's Heart and used as a weapon by Regulus, even air from waving his hand or his own breath can slice through and gore anything it touches. Regulus can even imbue people he touches with Lion's Heart in order to fling them away with impossible momentum that cannot be slowed, leaving cartoonish person-shaped holes in whatever they pass through. As well as this, Regulus is free to manipulate objects imbued with Lion's Heart to his heart's content, turning water into a floating cube or a rising pillar, and manipulating the structure of buildings as if he's playing with a Rubiks Cube. The weakness of this seemingly perfect offense is that stopping the time of and manipulating objects outside of his own body is extremely difficult for Regulus to manage consciously, but this can be circumvented through his secondary ability "Little King".
Little King: This ability allows Regulus to merge a pseudo heart into the heart of any woman he considered to be his wife. The woman's heartbeat would pump his smaller pseudo heart even when Regulus' actual heart was cut off from time, freeing him from the 5 second restriction of Lion's Heart. Freed from this restriction, Regulus is able to remain in a permanent state of invincibility as he has been for well over a century, and he can utilize his many applications of Lion's Heart upon other objects without need for conscious control, making using his Authority far easier. In order to mitigate the risk of losing the effect of Little King, Regulus collected a large harem of beautiful women as his wives- currently numbering 52- and keeps them in secure locations when he goes out to fulfill his duties as a Sin Archbishop. Little King has an unspecified range where Regulus must be able to "feel his wive's love nearby."
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Well, a bunch of thing here are kinda unscessary like "constantly and passively" and "Regulus collected a large harem of beautiful women as his wives- currently numbering 52" And the descriptions are kinda long too, maybe short them a bit?
Is fine for most of It.
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Constantly and passively is definitely important info lol tf
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I meant more like, just remove one of them, because they pretty much means the same thing.
Or put constantly or passively.
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On the topic of Regulus Authority, always want to comment about how he should be blind while using his powers, because of the way light and eyes works.
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The same how everyone who is FTL should be blind, or at least have an extremely strange perception of their surroundings.
But obviously series don't take that much into account.
Another thing is that Crush can still speak the language after losing "all" her memories. Same with Rem and others affected.
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Well most of them does have a explanation trought.
The problem is that the Authority does usually take some things into account, like he don't age, don't need to eat, don't get injured and this all due to being stopped time, but then the ability ignore things that he need to work propely, like light entering his eyes so he can see things.
That means glutonny don't eat all Memories, or os more like the basic amnesia.
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Suspension of disbelief.
The Authority of Gluttony does consume a person's Memories and Name, plundering the information from the soul itself.
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They do not mean the same thing and they are both important.
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Not in the slightest lol. They just don't touch on that fact because there really is no way to explain it well.
Almost every series with FTL travel never mentions how the characters see. It's simply more convenient to just let them still perceive shit somehow.
The same way it's more convenient for story telling in Re Zero if characters don't actually lose all their memories (including their language).
It explicitly does though...
Also, memories in Re Zero seem to be stored within the soul. Which would include everything, including knowledge of language.
Donno what you mean.
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What's you source on that? Because constantly:continuously over a period of time It always and Passive: A ability that always active.
Does mean the almost the same thing, yeah.
I don't mean they explicty tell how they can, i meant that most characters who does go FTL say something like "I trained my eyes " or something, so they eyes are superhuman, and that's the implied explanation.
Altrough, i may be wrong saying that is most of them, is just a few.
If the ability supposely take all memories, but the characters still retain the ability to talk, walk, breath etc, that just means It don't take all of them, just specific ones.
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Useless discussion to question the logic of fiction I think. It works within the internal logic of the verse.
Anyways continuing with Archbishops, I'm thinking of doing some work on Rai & Roy's profiles in the future, to add/remove some abilities and to either change how Rui is represented on their profiles or just remove her, since she'll need a profile of her own in the future anyway.
I'm particulary wondering whether or not Rai should get two keys considering how far beyond he is as a Warlock compared to himself normally or even with Solar Eclipse. It'd also almost definitely bump him up from Genius to Extraordinary Genius.
Anyways continuing with Archbishops, I'm thinking of doing some work on Rai & Roy's profiles in the future, to add/remove some abilities and to either change how Rui is represented on their profiles or just remove her, since she'll need a profile of her own in the future anyway.
I'm particulary wondering whether or not Rai should get two keys considering how far beyond he is as a Warlock compared to himself normally or even with Solar Eclipse. It'd also almost definitely bump him up from Genius to Extraordinary Genius.
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We should also remove the Frisk match from there, because Frisk is not 8-B anymore.
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You can put in the removal thread then.
Continuing on with Rai, I really think this might be worthy of a seperate key, especially since he was stomping Ram with 3 Shackles Released.
Continuing on with Rai, I really think this might be worthy of a seperate key, especially since he was stomping Ram with 3 Shackles Released.
The accomplishments established by the Fist King, Neiji Rockhardt, were somewhat of a legend in Gladiator Island Ginunhive of the Sacred Vollachian Empire―― No, had once been a legend.
Having been met by the tragedy of the Authority of Gluttony, now with both Name and Memories plundered, no one anywhere who knew of the achievements established by him as a gladiator existed.
On the Gladiator Island, wherein strength was used for exhibition, Neiji, solitarily, using his empty hands as weapons, had survived hundreds of deathmatches, to finally attain the right of liberation from slavery.
Conceiving the refined fighting spirit in his fists, intercepting swords and daggers, before his fists which shattered steel any obstacle whatsoever was equivalent to a maiden’s soft skin. He likely could have been termed as the one to have beaten the most humans to death in history.
With his inordinately brutal nefarious techniques, the Carnivorous Beast, Beli Heinelga, was a rare serial killer who had made the Holy Kingdom of Gusteko shudder―― No, once had made it shudder.
Having been met by the tragedy of the Authority of Gluttony, now with both Name and Memories plundered, the vast counts of misfortune and precepts he had yielded as a murderer remained not in anyone’s memories.
By birth, Beli had displayed abnormal growth, and acquired strength of physical body impossible to be realized in average humans. And, embracing the men of his liking to death, he had piled up copious atrocious crimes.
Superhuman strength which his enormous build materialized, and sturdy skin which sustained not a single scratch from swords and daggers. This murderer, who sought touch and warmth, had been one of the most dreadful, feared criminals, along with the Bowel Hunter.
The career history of the Leaper, Dorkell, was an eccentric one. Formerly a merchant living in Kararagi City-States, Dorkell had been a deviant who had disengaged from his path upon hearing the voice of something not human―― so he had once been.
Having been met by the tragedy of the Authority of Gluttony, now with both Name and Memories plundered, the truth of him having become a laughingstock for many as a deviant vanished, with no one who remembered that existing, any more.
One certain day, Dorkell discarded his life including his wife and children. And, opting for the path espousing that which did not exist, he became a freak who chose to have contact with the Witch Cult.
Though Dorkell had manifested a paramount power differing from magic, it deviated from the doctrine of the Witch Cult, a heresy within heresy banished even from the Witch Cult.
In other words, they were transcendental beings, from the kinds of enigmatic persons, eccentric persons, and deranged persons.
Impossible to be matched by ordinary humans, they remained unfinished by the mere virtue of being themselves as well; being blended together with all possible kinds of Memories within Gluttony, they had been finished into articles of greater superlativeness.
What would be the consequence should Neiji Rockhardt obtain Beli Heinelga’s endurance and Dorkell’s ability of phantom teleportation?
It would be, the fruition of a singular brutal, fiendish, atrocious existence seldom seen throughout time.
Until now and amongst all of what yesterday had held, the Sin Archbishop of Gluttony, Ley Batenkaitos had not achieved that.
For within the grand hotpot named his self, by blending all probable kinds of Memories together, he feared the very existence named himself being taken into the hotpot.
However, even if he were to drink up the contents of the mixed hotpot, he would not be taken in―― at the very least, that was what Batenkaitos’s notion had come to be.
And since it had come to be so, he experimented what all he had never ventured to do until now, possessing not the slightest of qualms or hesitance for breaking the established bounds of his own self.
For the Gourmet who ate every possible kind of excelling, transcending talent, history, potentiality in this world, utterly―― all until the very horizons of “gourmet delicacies”, persisting in amassing it all within oneself, was precisely whom Ley Batenkaitos was.
Thus, on this day, what was born in the Tower situated at the eastern edge of the world, was a Warlock agglutinated with every technique and odd talent, regardless of heredity and posteriori.
The Warlock possessed arms which destroyed all, possessed a flesh body which did not take damage from any type of attacks, possessed magical arts which rejected and countered any possible technique, and was endowed with even the wisdom, genius and intellect to grasp everything that existed.
No matter how extensive a survey should be taken of history, never had there been a being who excelled in every single kind of ability to this extent, and neither would any other take birth hereafter, for thousands of years to come.
This, was a selection of the world’s possibilities, brought forth by the abominable calamity referred to as a Witch Factor.
Born from the grand hotpot which condensed solely excelling articles, the supreme “gourmet delicacy” itself――
Ram: “――You shall be given three chances.”
With that rare existence before her, the young girl with pink-colored hair uttered with three fingers raised.
Having been met by the tragedy of the Authority of Gluttony, now with both Name and Memories plundered, no one anywhere who knew of the achievements established by him as a gladiator existed.
On the Gladiator Island, wherein strength was used for exhibition, Neiji, solitarily, using his empty hands as weapons, had survived hundreds of deathmatches, to finally attain the right of liberation from slavery.
Conceiving the refined fighting spirit in his fists, intercepting swords and daggers, before his fists which shattered steel any obstacle whatsoever was equivalent to a maiden’s soft skin. He likely could have been termed as the one to have beaten the most humans to death in history.
With his inordinately brutal nefarious techniques, the Carnivorous Beast, Beli Heinelga, was a rare serial killer who had made the Holy Kingdom of Gusteko shudder―― No, once had made it shudder.
Having been met by the tragedy of the Authority of Gluttony, now with both Name and Memories plundered, the vast counts of misfortune and precepts he had yielded as a murderer remained not in anyone’s memories.
By birth, Beli had displayed abnormal growth, and acquired strength of physical body impossible to be realized in average humans. And, embracing the men of his liking to death, he had piled up copious atrocious crimes.
Superhuman strength which his enormous build materialized, and sturdy skin which sustained not a single scratch from swords and daggers. This murderer, who sought touch and warmth, had been one of the most dreadful, feared criminals, along with the Bowel Hunter.
The career history of the Leaper, Dorkell, was an eccentric one. Formerly a merchant living in Kararagi City-States, Dorkell had been a deviant who had disengaged from his path upon hearing the voice of something not human―― so he had once been.
Having been met by the tragedy of the Authority of Gluttony, now with both Name and Memories plundered, the truth of him having become a laughingstock for many as a deviant vanished, with no one who remembered that existing, any more.
One certain day, Dorkell discarded his life including his wife and children. And, opting for the path espousing that which did not exist, he became a freak who chose to have contact with the Witch Cult.
Though Dorkell had manifested a paramount power differing from magic, it deviated from the doctrine of the Witch Cult, a heresy within heresy banished even from the Witch Cult.
In other words, they were transcendental beings, from the kinds of enigmatic persons, eccentric persons, and deranged persons.
Impossible to be matched by ordinary humans, they remained unfinished by the mere virtue of being themselves as well; being blended together with all possible kinds of Memories within Gluttony, they had been finished into articles of greater superlativeness.
What would be the consequence should Neiji Rockhardt obtain Beli Heinelga’s endurance and Dorkell’s ability of phantom teleportation?
It would be, the fruition of a singular brutal, fiendish, atrocious existence seldom seen throughout time.
Until now and amongst all of what yesterday had held, the Sin Archbishop of Gluttony, Ley Batenkaitos had not achieved that.
For within the grand hotpot named his self, by blending all probable kinds of Memories together, he feared the very existence named himself being taken into the hotpot.
However, even if he were to drink up the contents of the mixed hotpot, he would not be taken in―― at the very least, that was what Batenkaitos’s notion had come to be.
And since it had come to be so, he experimented what all he had never ventured to do until now, possessing not the slightest of qualms or hesitance for breaking the established bounds of his own self.
For the Gourmet who ate every possible kind of excelling, transcending talent, history, potentiality in this world, utterly―― all until the very horizons of “gourmet delicacies”, persisting in amassing it all within oneself, was precisely whom Ley Batenkaitos was.
Thus, on this day, what was born in the Tower situated at the eastern edge of the world, was a Warlock agglutinated with every technique and odd talent, regardless of heredity and posteriori.
The Warlock possessed arms which destroyed all, possessed a flesh body which did not take damage from any type of attacks, possessed magical arts which rejected and countered any possible technique, and was endowed with even the wisdom, genius and intellect to grasp everything that existed.
No matter how extensive a survey should be taken of history, never had there been a being who excelled in every single kind of ability to this extent, and neither would any other take birth hereafter, for thousands of years to come.
This, was a selection of the world’s possibilities, brought forth by the abominable calamity referred to as a Witch Factor.
Born from the grand hotpot which condensed solely excelling articles, the supreme “gourmet delicacy” itself――
Ram: “――You shall be given three chances.”
With that rare existence before her, the young girl with pink-colored hair uttered with three fingers raised.
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I mean, sure, but we don't know much about his warlock form besides that it is VASTLY superior to his normal form. I've had discussions about Ley's final power level before and he's about as controversial as Cecilus is lol.
It would be best to not make a key for a form we know next to nothing about.
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Does it? With one Shackle off Ram is about as strong as Rem but of course more skilled. With two she seems genuinely about as strong as the likes of Arakiya and the Zellgeff squadron. And if I remember correctly didn't Warlock Ley body her with three shackles off.
There is also that qna quote that says that a fight between Daphne and "gluttony" (this was before it was even revealed there are multiple) would be complicated but probably evenly matched. That kinda throws a wrench in the whole thing because if it's true for just Ley that puts him significantly above the likes of even Roswaal.
Sure, but that very fact is exactly why we shouldn't make a key for him. If we shouldn't even be making pages for characters with very well defined abilities like Todd we definitely shouldn't for someone with as little info as Warlock Ley.
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Yeah he was equal with 2 Shackle Ram, got obliterated by 3 Shackle Ram (who is stated to be > the entire Witch Cult), and then Warlock Rai effortlessly stomped 3 Shackle Ram. He is almost definitely in another tier.
Yeah I know, I guess it just feels weird to not have everything he can do on his profile.
I actually think Todd should get a profile, it'd be very simple due to him being a lower tier fighter with obvious uncomplicated abilities.
A lot of his content is human translated too and the content that is MTL is thoroughly edited and proofread by multiple translators.
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She was? When? That doesn't really make since because Regulus is seemingly stronger than her even at 9 shackles off and Capella is also pretty cracked.
Garfiel is the same way right now. Hell, most of the characters are the same way right now lol. We'll definitely get more info later on. There's a lot we don't know about the gluttonies yet + plenty of matchups for Ram to get into that could raise his scaling.
Honestly, if you can get people to agree with scaling him to the high tiers based on the Daphne statement I wouldn't be as concerned about the key being inaccurate.
I generally agree.
Lmao
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He specifically mentions that due to Regulus' nature, she may not be able to kill him directly.
Arc 7 really does bring the Garfsweep in full force.
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Not gonna lie, this is more like him kinda overstimating Ram and fanboy over her because of Rem influence, I take this statement with a grain of salt.
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It states his rational appraisal of Ram to match what his Remories are telling him, and I do trust Rai's appraisal given his vast knowledge.
When he became a Warlock he didn't think Ram would stand a chance against him, so his judgement isn't so clouded that he thinks Ram is invincible.
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