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She's litteraly stated to be tho.uh
not really...?
A 2-A being is still bound by said 2-A multiverse, not above it.
OP's feats are mostly things a regular tier 2 could do.
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She's litteraly stated to be tho.uh
not really...?
A 2-A being is still bound by said 2-A multiverse, not above it.
The scans you posted in the OP shows how Madoka perceives the multiverse as basically fiction. The scan I posted states that Madoka’s existence will be on a higher plane. That higher plane exists above the multiverse, so it transcends both the World of Witches and the World of Wraiths. Again, this makes Madoka herself 5D but the World of Wraiths and World of Witches by themselves are only 2-A each.
I can see Madoka being 5D
But these other worlds don't seem like it unless there is a character who is interacting with modaka in same way (The 5D modaka)
if there is a way to prove the spaces/world as transcending the multiverse. Is there any scans that might be helpful for this?
What does the distance between disc has anything to do with Low 1-C?Neutral learning towards disagree
Others than frame by frame case, the rest is not indicate the higher dimensional space is qualifed to how our tiering system treated higher dimensional usually
Tho the disc part is something that also doesn't even qualifed anything to Infinite difference between the world or something that suggesting it's Coordinately higher
I already said several times I'm no longer proposing 6D.5D alone is debatable, but I'm not buying with this "6D" stuffs so count me as disagree on that.
Which is because her perspective bout being omnipresentWhat does the distance between disc has anything to do with Low 1-C?
Madoka trivialized Low 2-C constructs like a disc/record, which can be played by her frame by frame. That is enough for 5-D.
Containing timelines makes it just a bigger 4D, nuff elseDon't DBH have something like this called the crack of time
Except that Demigra is stated to be beyond space and time and Crack of Time literally see the 2-A multiverse as fiction.Containing timelines makes it just a bigger 4D, nuff else
Is that a troll or?Except that Demigra is stated to be beyond space and time and Crack of Time literally see the 2-A multiverse as fiction.
I thought it was the real world that viewed the 2-A multiverse as fiction.Except that Demigra is stated to be beyond space and time and Crack of Time literally see the 2-A multiverse as fiction
Its not a troll, if this was a DB thread, I would send scans to you, but lets not go out of the topicIs that a troll or?
Anyway, this is derailing
The Real World is the argument that would make it 6-D, but it is a bad argument because later, the real world is stated to be ''conected'', which basically means that they are just another timeline, or something like thatI thought it was the real world that viewed the 2-A multiverse as fiction.
Thought you said it was wank and that you were gonna debunk it tho?Neutral for now
this seems sus honestly
Thought you said it was wank and that you were gonna debunk it tho?
But this was clarifed in Sonic thread and the FAQ page that the transcendence doesn't have to be uncountaly infinite or higher infinite in order to qualify as Low 1-C,just simply transcending 2-A multiverse by being in higher plane is Low 1-C.What you mentioned is the old system of Low 1-C so yeahI disagree, I do think you misinterpreted how our dimensional tiering works, trivializing 2-A multiverse to something like a mere disc is nowhere an infinite transcendent in the sense of uncountably infinite or higher infinity. For instance from another verse, Maou Gakuin has better indications than this but it is just 2-B, not 1-B.
Could you provide more evidence for 4th dimensional space? Just the mention of 4th dimensional pocket alone doesn't equate to actual mathematical 4th spatial dimension.The verse also includes 4 dimensional space in form of Homura's shield, which is insignificant to Madoka.
Ok but why'd you say it was wank without seeing the CRT first at the beginning?this seems to be impossible to debunk in the casei just need know if being a multiverse and trascending a multiverse can't be a contradiction in wiki standards .
btw,since it's basically the only card that i can play in this case.
Because, i already knew the arguments. though apparently being the multiverse and trascending it isn't a contradiction.Ok but why'd you say it was wank without seeing the CRT first at the beginning?
well firstly those discs were low 2-C structures based on the OP, and secondly a 2-A being bound by the multiverse makes no sense. It's a tier a character would get by literally having the potency to destroy the multiverse.uh
not really...?
A 2-A being is still bound by said 2-A multiverse, not above it.
This doesn't refer as time and space transcendence unless you can quote me where so false equivalence, for a higher plane of existence, the context for infinite transcendent is needed.But this was clarifed in Sonic thread and the FAQ page that the transcendence doesn't have to be uncountaly infinite or higher infinite in order to qualify as Low 1-C,just simply transcending 2-A multiverse by being in higher plane is Low 1-C.What you mentioned is the old system of Low 1-C so yeah
That doesn't necessarily have to be on that way, for instance, you can be Low 2-C yet is still bound to a universe.well firstly those discs were low 2-C structures based on the OP, and secondly a 2-A being bound by the multiverse makes no sense. It's a tier a character would get by literally having the potency to destroy the multiverse.
Dragon Ball Heroes and Nipponverse: k2-A being bound by the multiverse makes no sense.
That does,its there in FAQ page.No the context for infinite transcendence isn't needed which is what was agreed in Sonic thread and you even argued against it so no false equivalency to be present hereThis doesn't refer as time and space transcendence unless you can quote me where so false equivalence, for a higher plane of existence, the context for infinite transcendent is needed.
Some 2-As litteraly are at this tier because they are a multiverse. They aren't transcendant over themselves or anything.well firstly those discs were low 2-C structures based on the OP, and secondly a 2-A being bound by the multiverse makes no sense. It's a tier a character would get by literally having the potency to destroy the multiverse.
You literally misinterpreted what I am saying, I said there is no "transcending time and space" in this CRT context, not that "transcending time and space" needs something like reality-fiction difference at the first place, hence why I said it is a false equivalence since the FAQ you just brought above (which like for f*** sake the stuff I already knew) is only applicable to "transcending time and space" context.That does,its there in FAQ page.No the context for infinite transcendence isn't needed which is what was agreed in Sonic thread and you even argued against it so no false equivalency to be present here
If you can show me where in the FAQ page its mentioned that infinite transcendence is needed for higher plane of existence then I would appreciate that
Q: What tier is transcending space and time?
A: As said above, "transcending space and time" is a very vague statement by itself and can mean multiple things depending on the context in which it is made, as well as how this characteristic is portrayed in the first place. It is perfectly possible for such a statement to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. Likewise, it's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space."
However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions. The answer may vary depending on this factor.
It should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.
Everything here can apply to a 4D tho.There is no quote directly state that she transcends space-time but according to kyubey madoka has ceased to be a member of universe and no one in universe can perceive her so I believe she is not bound by 4-D structure,also in one event in magia record it said that Madoka is beyond future(time) and UKG travelling through time physically also prove that she is not bound of it.
I didn't lol,you said that trivializing the multiverse to disc isn't infinite or Inaccessible jump implying that it requires infinite jump fo Low 1-C which as clarifed in Sonic thread before isn't true.I will quote your words again.You literally misinterpreted what I am saying, I said there is no "transcending time and space" in this CRT context, not that "transcending time and space" needs something like reality-fiction difference at the first place, hence why I said it is a false equivalence since the FAQ you just brought above (which like for f*** sake the stuff I already knew) is only applicable to "transcending time and space" context.
So you literally implied that Infinite transcendence of 2-A is Low 1-C otherwise there would be simply no point in you mentioning that.Its stated for only transcending space and time but it literally quantifies the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C which is not infinite as simply higher level of reality transcending 2-A multiverse is enough for Low 1-C so again the gap doesn't become different under different statements so no again its not false equivalency and I mentioned the relevant quote which explains the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C under transcending 2-A multiverse.I disagree, I do think you misinterpreted how our dimensional tiering works, trivializing 2-A multiverse to something like a mere disc is nowhere an infinite transcendent in the sense of uncountably infinite or higher infinity. For instance from another verse, Maou Gakuin has better indications than this but it is just 2-B, not 1-B.
No you dont since the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C isn't higher infinity as examplifed by higher reality transcending the 2-A multiverse establishes the gap between both tiers and that gap doesn't change for any other context whether "transcending space and time" is stated or not.Then have it upgrade to 1-B or whatever since it clearly is going against the established tiering system.Its not because transcending space and time in sense of higher reality NEVER implied infinitely transcending 2-A multiverse.It isn't stated anywhere in tiering system page or FAQ page.In fact it not being infinitely transcending was your main point in Sonic threadYes, you need something infinitesimally difference in axis in order to prove a higher plane (without time and space transcendent) has higher infinity difference in comparison to the lower, exactly the reason why Maou Gakuin isn't 1-B, the reason why infinite transcendent is redundant for "transcending time and space" itself is because the word of "transcend" in the sense of ascending to higher level already suggested it.
Which isn't relevant because the gap of 2-A and Low 1-C remains the same as do the methods of obtaining it irrespective of transcending space and time mentionsNow I will repeat, if there is "transcending time and space" context here I need you to quote it here
Who are 4-D characters in this wiki that have it?And tiering page say perceiving as fiction can qualify for tier 1Everything here can apply to a 4D tho.
Now I do feels like you misunderstood our Tiering System, a lot, and just arguing for the sake of arguing. No, trivializing a multiverse to a disc or say, an elementary particle is nowhere an innacessible jump to Low 1-C, it's a common thing to Tier 2, I've gave you why it is the reason that Maou Gakuin isn't 1-B despite their showing of trivializing multiverse as chesses or shogi(s) and capable to destroy them just by mere existences. I'll repeat again that the FAQ you were using is only applicable to transcending time and space as higher reality. You don't need infinite transcendent difference to be qualified as Tier 1, yes, I'm aware of it, but if your context does not backed up by all time space transcendent in the sense of higher reality or larger higher dimensional space which confines the lower dimensions as a bulk, said infinite transcendent suggestion is needed. Sonic example is not a good example since it has higher level of reality which transcended the time and space as its context and does qualifies via the FAQ, which any of your arguments do not.I didn't lol,you said that trivializing the multiverse to disc isn't infinite or Inaccessible jump implying that it requires infinite jump fo Low 1-C which as clarifed in Sonic thread before isn't true.I will quote your words again.
So you literally implied that Infinite transcendence of 2-A is Low 1-C otherwise there would be simply no point in you mentioning that.Its stated for only transcending space and time but it literally quantifies the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C which is not infinite as simply higher level of reality transcending 2-A multiverse is enough for Low 1-C so again the gap doesn't become different under different statements so no again its not false equivalency and I mentioned the relevant quote which explains the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C under transcending 2-A multiverse.
No you dont since the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C isn't higher infinity as examplifed by higher reality transcending the 2-A multiverse establishes the gap between both tiers and that gap doesn't change for any other context whether "transcending space and time" is stated or not.Then have it upgrade to 1-B or whatever since it clearly is going against the established tiering system.Its not because transcending space and time in sense of higher reality NEVER implied infinitely transcending 2-A multiverse.It isn't stated anywhere in tiering system page or FAQ page.In fact it not being infinitely transcending was your main point in Sonic thread
Which isn't relevant because the gap of 2-A and Low 1-C remains the same as do the methods of obtaining it irrespective of transcending space and time mentions
Funny thing is, it has been rejected. I suggest you to learn how our tiering works to avoid such misconception and have proper understanding.No you dont since the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C isn't higher infinity as examplifed by higher reality transcending the 2-A multiverse establishes the gap between both tiers and that gap doesn't change for any other context whether "transcending space and time" is stated or not.Then have it upgrade to 1-B or whatever since it clearly is going against the established tiering system.Its not because transcending space and time in sense of higher reality NEVER implied infinitely transcending 2-A multiverse.It isn't stated anywhere in tiering system page or FAQ page.In fact it not being infinitely transcending was your main point in Sonic thread