Puella Magi Discussion Thread X: Gacha is Suffering

[SomebodyData]

Added a feat for Manaka and Sasara if anyone is a fan of either.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Hey SD, there is something I want to ask.

After understanding a bit more about Type 5 Acausality, are you sure Madoka is vulnurable to Type 2 Concept Manip in general?

I mean, unless said concept manip has the feat bypassing her Acausality like Homura, I cannot see her getting affected by it since Cause and Effect is garbage to her.

Example: Says that shouting is the cause that activate the Concept Manip, and the effect is to destroy concept.

 

[SomebodyData]

Idk tbh, it depends on how the wiki works atm, you would have to ask someone who made the rules.

 

[Jinsye]

iirc

It's because type 2 concepts are also just beyond cause and effect, and in general type 2 concept manip bypasses type 5 acausality.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

From the Type 5 description, I would say that Type 2 CM in general wouldn't be able to reach Madoka because the "effect" will never reach her since she is detached from Cause and Effect.

 

[Jinsye]

You'd need to change type 5 acausality or type 2 concept manip in general though then. It's accepted on the wiki that type 2 concept manip >>>> type 5 acausality.

Madoka's isn't really a special case that's just every type 5 acausal user.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

iirc
It's because type 2 concepts are also just beyond cause and effect, and in general type 2 concept manip bypasses type 5 acausality.

I think this only the case if the user is also beyond cause and effect. Because unless they have feat, the "activation" of the Type 2 CM will still counts as the "Cause", and the effect is....the effect, both which Type 5 Acausal views as insignificant thing.

 

[SomebodyData]

if type 2 concepts transcended like acausality type 5, wouldn't that mean all type 2 concepts inheritly have acausality type 5?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

if type 2 concepts transcended like acausality type 5, wouldn't that mean all type 2 concepts inheritly have acausality type 5?

Yupyup.

Although that also goes in a case by case basis, logically they would be.

 

[SomebodyData]

Well by that definition it wouldn't be case by case, if you don't have aacausality type 5, you wouldn't be a type 2 concept.

But on to the topic of the thread: I've added several feats to the calc evaluation thread. Nothing upgrade worthy, just feats for the pages. Also created profiles for Kuro, Yuma Chitose, and Kazusa Michiru. Plan on eventually releasing a page for Kei and Yuu once I can find renders of them. Untill then, probably will release a Suzune Magica or Kazumi Magica character.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

We're just overly cautious with Type 5 acausality, but yeah, case-by-case was the wrong word there. But logically, Type 1 AE of a Type 2 Concept=Type 5 Acausality too many ******* types

 

[SomebodyData]

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