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Puella Magi Revision Thread 2020

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Iroha Tamaki:
  • Durability: Island level with Thread Manipulation (Capable of protecting Sayaka Miki from Holy Mami's bullet hell. Also shown capable of knocking around Holy Mami, however, she took no damage from the thrashing).
  • Feats:
    • Capable of killing the Memory Curator Uwasa with her own abilities.
Doppels seem to also be summonable to an extent, on-demand.
Holy Mami:
  • Abilities: Instinctive Reaction (Shown that her own body will dodge or block attacks that she has no way of being aware of), Homing Attack (Every single bullet released is capable of homing down and changing directions depending on where the enemy is), possible Resistance to Causality Manipulation (Entirely unaffected by Doppel Campanella's tail).
  • Feats:
    • A single Tiro Finale from Holy Mami is capable of destroying and deflecting hundreds of Yachiyo Nanami's tridents.
    • A stray Tiro Finale is capable of producing a blast comparable to a nuclear explosion.
Sayaka Miki:
Kriemhild Gretchen:
  • Further evidence of Kriemhild Gretchen being at least a moon level character. Also seemingly capable of Spaceflight, Large Size (Type 4, larger than the moon), Immortality (Type 1), & crossing interstellar distances. Here is the full segment of her event.
  • Minor wording change to UKG, NEP (Physical & Complete) > NEP Type 2. Should also be noted that not even UM can permanently get rid of her, however.

Ultimate Madoka: Upgrade to “Omniscience within the World of the Wraiths (Nagisa's story event shows that Ultimate Madoka does in fact know every memory a magical girl would have as well, so now there is really nothing left for her to know), Nigh-Omniscience otherwise (As shown by Rebellion and Magia Record, her knowledge is slightly restricted, leading to her almost being captured by Kyubey, having her powers stolen by Homura Akemi, and unable to determine the outcome of the MagiReco universe [Essentially she can no longer account for free-will])”.

Homura Akemi (Magia Record) & Homura Akemi (Wraith Arc): At least Multiversal+ range with Telepathy (Both Homura Akemi(s) are connected to each other thanks to the Mirror Witch being a singularity connecting to other worlds, allowing them to share memories [Or Memoria in this case] and the ability to Doppel Witch transform).

All Homura Akemi(s): Resistance to Time Manipulation (Somewhat implied by Kyubey during the Wraith Arc, but further shown in Homura ☆ Tamura by Tamura Akemi on several occasions and other Homuras (Like Practical Joke Homura).)

Corbeau: In the second part of the Tart event, it's revealed that Minou was the one who actually cast the spell and all that. Corbeau still keeps the abilties found in the game though, like Summoning. Also Paralysis Inducement via feathers (Shown in the manga and the game that her feathers, upon contact with their shadow, paralyzes the afflicted and prevents magic and movement.

Durbar: It's revealed that the combined might of the Mitzuiki house and Holy Quintet couldn't kill this uber-witch. She has quite a few feats in this depiction.
Kazumi: Speed from her second tab onwards should be changed into 'At least Massively Hypersonic, likely higher (Fought all the Pleiades Saints at once, each one of them is at least comparable to Homura Akemi), Massively FTL+ with Time Acceleration (The original user, Saki, used the ability once to reach the other side of the city before two other magical girls could react. Before to the ability, Saki had a bob hair-cut but accelerated her own time so much she had grown it to her feet).

The Wings of Magius & Kyubey &... Isabeau de Bavière?: So Chapter 10's second episode explains that the original Wings of Magius (Touka, Ui, & Nemu) all have their powers directly derived from Kyubey. Which then scales to Isabeau de Bavière as well. These abilities include:
General Witch Abilities:
  • Curse Manipulation: So we finally understand what curses do to ordinary people. Remember curses are passive
    • Reactive Power Level: (Witches grow stronger according to the despair and anguish of those around them; shown by Isabeau de Bavière and in The Howa Howa event.)
    • Power Nullification: Extreme amounts of curses are capable of nullifying the abilities of magical girls and weakening them to the point that they can't move. Most witches lack enough to bypass a magical girl's innate resistance though, so they shouldn't inherently scale to her degree of power nullification, same for the next ability.
    • Matter Manipulation: With enough curses, Eve began breaking down the molecules around her. Given this was somewhat early in the story (When she was revealed back in Chapter 8), normal witches should still be somewhat able to do this, obviously not to the extent as Eve. However, I still would write this up as non-combat applicable until we see more witches do this.
General Uwasa Abilities:
  • At least Average Intelligence (Rumor Girls are shown capable of human speech and manipulation, in episode 13 of the anime, one is even shown driving Touka through the city).
  • Resistance to extreme temperatures: AI-Chan is seen unaffected by the colds of the artics and the heat of lava.
  • Abstract Existence (Type 1): We already knew that Uwasa were the physical manifestations of rumors since the beginning of Magia Record. However, with the translations of the Chapter 10 events, we see that even their supposed destruction and contradiction of the rumors isn't enough to get rid of them.
General Puella Magi Abilities:
 
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You missed some stuffs:

Like fixing UKG NEP and straight up listing it as type 2 NEP instead of the "physically and completely" justification.

Also getting rid of UKG High-Godly Regen due it being worthless for NEP type 2 being like her, and most importantly, make a note about UKG's "regen" feat for being able to come back even after getting "erased" by Madoka's nonexistent erasure, despite having the NEP type 2.

One more thing, shouldn't Uwasa be straight up NEP type 2 as well? Their abstraction got destroyed and yet, they still exists, they are similar to UKG.

Other than that, agree with everything.
 
@Beast_Zero_Gudako
Added the UKG NEP change.
High-Godly Regen still is rather necessary if she fights someone who can interact with her but lacks the power to permanently kill her.
We know that their abstraction does exist, just that breaking it alone doesn't destroy them.
 
High-Godly regen cannot be applied to UKG or those with NEP type 2 though, since they lack concept to begin with. High-Godly regens anything, including their concepts. (Example: concept of fire -> It got destroyed by concept destruction -> said concept regenerated back). This is different from UKG since her "concept" does not regenerate back but instead she came out as a being with NEP type 2. Losing High-Godly isn't a nerf for UKG since she actually has greater feat than that. It just our current highest regen doesn't include those with NEP type 2.

Didn't breaking the rumor = destroying their abstractions as well?
 
I mean we know she has regen or resurrection for her to come back, to begin with, it's an ability she actively has. Just because the current regen definition doesn't have something more than high-godly doesn't change the fact that it's something similar.

Which means they had an abstraction to destroy in the first place, it's the same argument you're using to discredit UKG's Regen.
 
It's different though, High-Godly requires for it user "in the state of exist", be it a non corporeal or abstraction. UKG however, is "in the state of nonexist", and even after got destroyed despite her nonexistent status, he still come back. Though maybe counting her feat as resurrection feat could works too.

UKG doesn't have abstraction to destroy though, that is the whole point of NEP type 2. Although you could say Uwasa is Abstract type 1 at first, then become NEP type 2 when megucas broke their Rumors.
 
"The ability to regenerate after erasure from all aspects of existence, such as from history, narrative/plot, or conceptual/information destruction." It doesn't require state of existence, just capable of coming back from an extreme level of destruction.

We'll need something more concrete than that though.
 
>History, narrative/plot, conceptual/information.

Pretty sure if you have any of these means that you "officially" exists. NEP type 2 being don't have those. Which is why I said High-Godly can't be applied to them since they "officially" already cease to exist due lacking of those aspects above.

UKG doesn't have anything, whether it be concept/information, plot/narrative, or history, to define her existence when Madoka "erased" her the second time.

The proofs are concrete enough though. Uwasa is literally Urban Legend/Rumor/Gossip (Abstract type 1), -> proving the rumor isn't true is the same as destroying the abstraction -> Uwasa still "exists" despite the Rumor has been proven wrong (NEP type 2). This is basically the same as UKG except the scale and of course there isn't someone to destroy them the second time.
 
UKG does exist within the plot tho, NEP Type 2 only covers up to conceptual, history, and information.

^

As long as Nemu's book holds the rumors, they technically still exist.
 
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She has the ability to recreate them, they are her MG weapon afterall. She just legally can't do so after her trial.
 
Anyway, it seems like the members who have commented so far agree with this.
 
Thank you for the comments. This can probably be applied then.
 
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