Profile Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

[Dereck03]

So this, this, this and this.

I think it is pretty self evident. There are no scans, no references, the profiles are outdated, no calculations for the AP and speed, nothing.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

So this, this, this and this.

I think it is pretty self evident. There are no scans, no references, the profiles are outdated, no calculations for the AP and speed, nothing.

Agreed.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Is your argument from legality (I.e, who owns the brand) or creativity (I.e, who writes and etc.). Because it feels disingenuous to open with a statement that Angus McSix is Fanfiction, but then when I follow with proof that this is an official product licensed by the same brand label that sells Gloryhammer (If it truly was fanfiction, he wouldn't be able to make money off of it as that would be copyright infringement), you instead pivoted to arguing about who created the character instead.

Because the person who makes creative decisions on Gloryhammer (Gloryhammer) would produce tell you that canon and timelines are for dumb losers and maybe drop a slur in the process. Christopher Bowes is documented as to not give a shit about lore and canon and just make shit up as he goes along.

If you take everything he says at face value, then Keyboardist Jens Johansson is part of Gloryhammer Lore as the "King of Fife" because he collabed with one song they did. Not even a character, just the actual real life guy. And when Thomas Winkler did a Guest Appearance as Angus for a Nanowar song, they claimed that Angus was reincarnated as the God Odin, Master of IKEA.

So I believe that the argument from legality as to determine whether or not Angus McSix is a legitimate split-canon spin-off or not is more fruitful for discussion. Given that the character of Angus was a joint creation by Thomas Winkler and Christopher Bowes, wasn't trademarked at all until 2019 when Winkler trademarked him, and since his breakup with the band he has now continued as Angus in a new band he fully owns. I think it's valid.

At worse I make a separate verse page for it if we want to be pedantic and say it's not part of Proper Gloryhammer.

If everything feels disingenuous that is counter to your wants, I do not feel particularly inclined to care what you describe that way. The irony is palpable with these half-spirited accusations.

A person who does not have creative authority over a given piece of work cannot continue to expand it and still have that expansion be considered canon. It does not matter that he originally made Gloryhammer, it does not matter that his follow-up band is distributed by the same company- they do not hold the copyright, so their involvement is irrelevant. Hazarding a guess, some deal may have been struck- the nature of which I am not, nor is anyone here, equipped to guess at.

I stand by my evaluation and none of this whining has really abated the core point- no member of Angus McSix has creative authority to insert their works into the canon of Gloryhammer despite attempting to do so (rendering them as, functionally, fanfiction). No member of Gloryhammer has extended creative authority to allow them to be considered canon. Thus Angus McSix is non-canon insofar as we define it on this wiki and worthy of deletion.

At this juncture I will forego further discussion and ask other staff members to evaluate the situation, because I can sense that if allowed to fester this circular discussion will carry on forever.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

If it was fanfiction he wouldn't be making money through the same lavel. It's a Spin-Off Band or Solo Career. The only reason people are arguing over is because the lyrics have "lore".

You have also ignored my point that it is only one-sidedly canon. Or my bigger point that canon is fake

 

[Tllmbrg]

Maybe it's easier to just ban "Band with lore" type verses all together since it seems they can easily spiral into a legal nightmare
Just a thought though

I'll just circle back to this and further add that in general I wonder why we allow loose verses like this to begin with
I think most would agree that this kind of pages are shakier to have then other mediums, heck music video pages in general seem iffy since I doubt those are ever meant to be taken as literal instead of just some fun visuals for the song

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If the canon is fake we may as well delete the verse for lacking a cohesive story- you may recall that this is a requirement that disqualified a number of other bands from maintaining a verse. I ignored it because it was a ***** point and was unworthy of rebuttal, as it in of itself served to dismantle what you were arguing- not that you had provided any evidence of what you were saying anyways.

I will reiterate, however: the discussion is ceased and will be left to the judgement of other staff members. The consensus will decide what befalls Angus McSix and, possibly, Gloryhammer as well.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'll just circle back to this and further add that in general I wonder why we allow loose verses like this to begin with
I think most would agree that this kind of pages are shakier to have then other mediums, heck music video pages in general seem iffy since I doubt those are ever meant to be taken as literal instead of just some fun visuals for the song

I am in agreement that if it is truly as shoddy and baseless and Matt claims, then the entire verse ought to be cleansed. I think there exist some stable-enough music videos with cohesive lore, but by the way Matt describes it, Gloryhammer is not one of them.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

think there exist some stable-enough music videos with cohesive lore, but by the way Matt describes it, Gloryhammer is not one of them.

There IS a cohesive stoy but its taking the piss. It's not serious. The existence of "Lore" in a band about Scottish Intergalactic Unicorns is the whole bit. The story is the joke. That's what I meant by "Canon is Fake". There is a story and a canon but it's an artifice not to be taken seriously.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I doubt those are ever meant to be taken as literal instead of just some fun visuals for the song

With Gloryhammer the recent Music Videos are pretty literal. The older ones aren't which is why I put Possibly in regards to a calc from one.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I'll just circle back to this and further add that in general I wonder why we allow loose verses like this to begin with
I think most would agree that this kind of pages are shakier to have then other mediums, heck music video pages in general seem iffy since I doubt those are ever meant to be taken as literal instead of just some fun visuals for the song

I don't want to get totally into this topic but I guess if the verse has material lore like Comics that explains the character, are they ok? I ask because of Disturbed main character, the Dark Messiah, has comics

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't want to get totally into this topic but I guess if the verse has material lore like Comics that explains the character, are they ok? I ask because of Disturbed main character, the Dark Messiah, has comics

With what context I have on Disturbed, The Guy is 100% fine. What Tllmbrg has said is far from canonized law of the land- just his personal feelings. If a discussion emerges in which we would have to tackle the greater prospect of music profile legitimacy, however, I personally would argue in favor of Disturbed remaining.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

With what context I have on Disturbed, The Guy is 100% fine. What Tllmbrg has said is far from canonized law of the land- just his personal feelings. If a discussion emerges in which we would have to tackle the greater prospect of music profile legitimacy, however, I personally would argue in favor of Disturbed remaining.

Ah, thanks for clarify

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I am now going to quote Matt's proposal he sent via DMs, here, so he can continue to abide by the order I gave previously not to unnecessarily draw out this trivial discussion:

My proposal was thus:

• Angus McSix itself: Not Canon to Gloryhammer
• Gloryhammer Songs and Albums after the Vocalist Recast: Not Canon to Angus McSix
• The First Three Gloryhammer Albums with Thomas Winkler: Canon to Angus McSix

According to interviews with Winkler and Seeb (The band's producer and composer), only their first album has a connection to Gloryhammer. Following the 2nd album and forwards, it will be entirely self-contained in its own universe. The connection is only there to bridge the gap.

It's a similar situation with Xenogears and Xenosaga I would say. Where they're technically not part of the same series or universe but Saga has indirect references to Gears and everyone considers it the same series anyway

I feel that, if all that has been said is true about Gloryhammer, then its continued existence is questionable; we have particularly firm requirements for music videos being considered legitimate, as they are fickle enough already. It has been left muddy via contradiction as to how legitimate the verse truly is- but that may be a discussion for another time, as the initial subject was Angus McSix's continued existence. I would like a relevant staff member or two to give their feelings on the subject- @Tllmbrg you may opt to be one of those.

My own take, I think Angus McSix is a prime candidate for deletion and moving it to FC/OC causes no harm or headache above what we choose to make for ourselves. I would vote in favor of removing it.

 

[Dereck03]

Agreed.

Okay, i've deleted them.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Farmer (Stardew Valley)

Overall just very barebones. Im sure a better profile could be created for the game, but rn it's easily a candidate for deletion.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

All the verse need to be deleted

 

[Dereck03]

Farmer (Stardew Valley)

Overall just very barebones. Im sure a better profile could be created for the game, but rn it's easily a candidate for deletion.

All the verse need to be deleted

Seems fine to delete. What others here thinks?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Huge Stardew valley fan, that page misses tons and explains nothing, also calcless. Perfectly happy to see them deleted. Rest of the verse can also go.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

This profile here.

Basically nothing. No scans, no images and somehow is years old.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Scans weren't required years ago. Images are also not a requirement.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This profile here.

Basically nothing. No scans, no images and somehow is years old.

I never knew that profile existed, but yeah. It's marked for deletion. It comes from heavily outdated scaling, kind of abuses game mechanics as its justification, and is a bare bones summary.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Untitled Goose Game Goose

Overall kinda low quality, sound manip for honking, poor justifications, etc.

I can remake it, though I would appreciate help in getting a singular calc done, as there's a feat that should easily get street level

 

[DaReaperMan]

Untitled Goose Game Goose

Overall kinda low quality, sound manip for honking, poor justifications, etc.

I can remake it, though I would appreciate help in getting a singular calc done, as there's a feat that should easily get street level

Where's the feat, I can go haras- I mean ask some Calc group members to Calc it

 

[Dereck03]

Untitled Goose Game Goose

Overall kinda low quality, sound manip for honking, poor justifications, etc.

The profile has what it takes for a profile with so few stats, I wouldn't mind deleting it if you say you will remake it

I can remake it, though I would appreciate help in getting a singular calc done, as there's a feat that should easily get street level

Street level doesn't need calculations

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Where's the feat, I can go haras- I mean ask some Calc group members to Calc it

The goose breaks a (stone? porcelain?) wall of a miniature castle by pecking it (0:20)

 

[Antvasima]

I had previously spoken to @MrKerf about these not being permissible in my opinion, but it seems they went and made them anyways (why bother asking, one must wonder?). Regardless, I'm bringing it here for further discussion.

Gloryhammer is a verse similar to Steam Powered Giraffes, it's just music videos and such with lore put to them. No problem with that. The problem comes from the Angus McSix section of the page, which is non-canon in that it is made by a member who was booted from Gloryhammer taking their stuff and doing what he likes with it- it isn't a crossover, he's just trying to make his own lore with their lore.

This is obviously problematic for our purposes for a few reasons: can any writer from any show who has been fired from said show continue making things as an extension, on their own dime, and have it be considered canon? Could an artist who was laid off depict a character from one of their past works as killed or such and have that be taken as absolutely true?

My personal opinion, the profiles for Angus McSix ought to be deleted/moved to FC/OC, as they are, functionally, fanfiction from a fired former band member. These profiles would seem to include Angus McSix, Thalestris, Skaw!, and Seebulon.

This seems fine to me. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

I am in agreement that if it is truly as shoddy and baseless and Matt claims, then the entire verse ought to be cleansed. I think there exist some stable-enough music videos with cohesive lore, but by the way Matt describes it, Gloryhammer is not one of them.

Well, I think that music verses need to receive some scrutiny regarding if they truly have any coherent storyline.

Also, speaking of Disturbed, I love their version of this song:

 

[Flashlight237]

speaking of Disturbed, I love their version of this song:

Heh! Same here.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Imuri Atsuki

Imuri Atsuki is the main heroine of Make the Exorcist Fall in Love. She is the original succubus, who was previously known as Lilith. She was sent by Satan to try and make Mr. Priest fall in love at the beginning of the series. Tier: 10-B Name: Imuri Atsuki Origin: Make the Exorcist Fall in Love...

vsbattles.fandom.com

New Profile with 0 references, rule is to nuke these on sight, but some leniency could be given, call in the verse supporters @DemonGodMitchAubin and... well I've already notified the other one.

 

[Antvasima]

Imuri Atsuki

Imuri Atsuki is the main heroine of Make the Exorcist Fall in Love. She is the original succubus, who was previously known as Lilith. She was sent by Satan to try and make Mr. Priest fall in love at the beginning of the series. Tier: 10-B Name: Imuri Atsuki Origin: Make the Exorcist Fall in Love...

vsbattles.fandom.com

New Profile with 0 references, rule is to nuke these on sight, but some leniency could be given, call in the verse supporters @DemonGodMitchAubin and... well I've already notified the other one.

@DemonGodMitchAubin

 

[Bobsican]

No scans or references anywhere beyond physical stats, same issue here, here, here, here and here. Actually, the whole verse but this page (I've basically mentioned every page now) has those issues, so unless anyone is willing to properly work on the verse most of such pages may have to be deleted.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Supporters are still active, so think they can fix it eventually

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, it depends on what they're active, pages have been deleted before out of active supporters not being interested.

 

[Dereck03]

No scans or references anywhere beyond physical stats, same issue here, here, here, here and here. Actually, the whole verse but this page (I've basically mentioned every page now) has those issues, so unless anyone is willing to properly work on the verse most of such pages may have to be deleted.

@First_Witch @Sir_Ovens @Rocker1189 you guys are listed as supporters of this verse so input regarding this issue would be appreciate or if the verse should be deleted?

 

[azontr]

No scans or references anywhere beyond physical stats, same issue here, here, here, here and here. Actually, the whole verse but this page (I've basically mentioned every page now) has those issues, so unless anyone is willing to properly work on the verse most of such pages may have to be deleted.

You can leave Anne's page and delete the rest of the verse if you really want. I planned to work with @First_Witch when I actually finish Knight Run to help fix the verse so we can just remake the profiles from scratch when I finally get to Knight Run.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Imuri Atsuki

Imuri Atsuki is the main heroine of Make the Exorcist Fall in Love. She is the original succubus, who was previously known as Lilith. She was sent by Satan to try and make Mr. Priest fall in love at the beginning of the series. Tier: 10-B Name: Imuri Atsuki Origin: Make the Exorcist Fall in Love...

vsbattles.fandom.com

New Profile with 0 references, rule is to nuke these on sight, but some leniency could be given, call in the verse supporters @DemonGodMitchAubin and... well I've already notified the other one.

So Imuri doesn’t get a profile cause she’s a regular person? But Walter White and Jesse Pinkman can keep profiles… We’re allowed to have profiles for fodder individuals

There’s no reason to delete Imuri

 

[Ped2018]

So Imuri doesn’t get a profile cause she’s a regular person? But Walter White and Jesse Pinkman can keep profiles… We’re allowed to have profiles for fodder individuals

There’s no reason to delete Imuri

I think the biggest issue is the 0 references part

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I think the biggest issue is the 0 references

So we delete the profile? Nah that’s dumb. Imuri isn’t a fighter, but she still can have a profile. Lord knows Tier 10 has a right to exist… I mean don’t we have profiles for literal insects?

 

[DaReaperMan]

So Imuri doesn’t get a profile cause she’s a regular person? But Walter White and Jesse Pinkman can keep profiles… We’re allowed to have profiles for fodder individuals

There’s no reason to delete Imuri

She can't have a profile because there's **** all references on it, there's a Powers and Abilities section isn't there? I see at least like 5 things that can be referenced there

 

[Ped2018]

So we delete the profile? Nah that’s dumb. Imuri isn’t a fighter, but she still can have a profile. Lord knows Tier 10 has a right to exist… I mean don’t we have profiles for literal insects?

That's the rules though, references are obrigatory, you can just add them and avoid the profile being deleted