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Profile Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)
- Thread starter Antvasima
- Start date
Ped2018
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Well, we're planning to make a sandbox and discuss things like AP/Speed, what calcs should be used, what character scales to who because there are a lot of things that we're disagreeing on and the guy who created this profile didn't knew that, so we requested to him to request to delete this profile but he didn't knew how, that's why i asking
Btw, when i saying "we" i'm referring to the verse supporters
Btw, when i saying "we" i'm referring to the verse supporters
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Darth Vader (Soul Calibur) uses a non-canon ending of the game to scale Vader to Algol and give him the cursed/spirit swords.
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Every other playable character in SCIV has their own ending where they defeat Algol but they don't scale
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I have asked @XSOULOFCINDERX to comment on this, I helped make the profile for him, he did essentially all of the research for the profile.
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The problem is that Vader doesn't have anything else to scale of.
The alternative is making him High 6-A for being at least comparable to other low tiers of the verse.
He also isn't canon too, unlike the other characters, so a non-canon ending for a non-canon character should be ok.
The alternative is making him High 6-A for being at least comparable to other low tiers of the verse.
He also isn't canon too, unlike the other characters, so a non-canon ending for a non-canon character should be ok.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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The difference is that Vader wasn't Canon to begin with, so he has nothing that Contradicts him being able to beat Algol and Claim the Swords.
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What about Yoda's ending? Or the Apprentice's ending?
XSOULOFCINDERX
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They're Non-Canon as well so Nothing Contradicts them either, but why are they relevant here when they don't even have Profiles?
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If they will ever have a profile, they will scale to their own ending.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Indeed.
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Doesn’t it break crossover rules if it is completely non-canon and doesn’t tie into the lore at all?
XSOULOFCINDERX
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I don't think so? I think it just has to be Unique enough from the original one to stay.
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Eh, not really, here's the rules:
Crossovers
A crossover is the placement of two or more characters originating from different continuities/franchises/verses into a single story. Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or...
vsbattles.fandom.com
XSOULOFCINDERX
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OK? He's a Non-Canon Guest Character, but he's Unique enough from the original one that I think he can stay. Also, I feel like if Vader gets called out it's only fair to call out Soul Calibur 3 Link and Soul Calibur PSP Kratos as well for being the same kind of Character.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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If this is just a problem with scaling him to Algol, he also fights Mitsurugi in the Playstation Opening for SC4, who also Canonically fought Algol. Sort of.
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind deleting those in that case.
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This is exactly what I hope to change one day, as I have always had a problem with that rule in particular.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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I can't tell if this working for or against my case.
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It's working on the "Let's make profiles for Smash Bros." case, so yours.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Doesn't the Smash Cast already have Profiles? Could've sworn they did.
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Smash Bros. is forbidden from having profiles, Mario is literally the first example given on not allowed crossover profiles. Of course, characters created for Smash, such as Mr. Game & Watch or Master Hand, are allowed because they aren't crossovers.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Wait, you're telling me that Kratos actually did something in the story of the game he was in?
Bobsican
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I mean, they have become quite different from the "main canon" variant since like Brawl. Stickers, Spirits and their general nature makes them unique enought to be worthy of profiles if you ask me.
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Crossover page still says they are forbidden, so they are.
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For now, regrettably, I also agree with the deletion. However, again, I want to change the rules to allow these kinds of profiles under certain restrictions and guidelines unlike what we have now.
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- Thread starter
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Well, we created the rules to avoid spam of identical versions of established characters, but they may have turned too strict, yes, as many of these profile pages seem harmless.
Basically, I personally mainly had in mind that we did not really need 50+ versions of Wolverine and every Marvel character from alternative timelines, or 20+ versions of every major Naruto character from every game that they ever appeared in, but the rules seem to have caused problems with many harmless cases as well.
Basically, I personally mainly had in mind that we did not really need 50+ versions of Wolverine and every Marvel character from alternative timelines, or 20+ versions of every major Naruto character from every game that they ever appeared in, but the rules seem to have caused problems with many harmless cases as well.
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I think Vader, Link and othet Soul Calibur guests can stay.
As long as a character has a piece of story, unique powers, is different enough from the original or else should be allowed to stay.
I mean, don't the Naruto games follow the original story? In that case characters would just be the original, a higher isn't enough as a difference, but many.
I think that a set of required differences should be considered when evaluating a crossover character, which is still different from a generic alternate version of a character, but the criteria are almost the same.
This Vader isn't canon, but he has his own story, is a complete character inside his game and has a different enough set of powers, even just for the Soul Edge.
As long as a character has a piece of story, unique powers, is different enough from the original or else should be allowed to stay.
I mean, don't the Naruto games follow the original story? In that case characters would just be the original, a higher isn't enough as a difference, but many.
I think that a set of required differences should be considered when evaluating a crossover character, which is still different from a generic alternate version of a character, but the criteria are almost the same.
This Vader isn't canon, but he has his own story, is a complete character inside his game and has a different enough set of powers, even just for the Soul Edge.
Hellbeast
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Not really tho
Other profiles (Freddy from MK9 and Spawn) added to the series lore, incoroporating elements to the characters and in one case being rcognised by official canon (The Dream Realm from Freddy's ending is shown in Tremor's and mentioned in 11 iirc)
While I have no problem with it if the game gives enough new info about the character thar's not what the wiki rules are
Other profiles (Freddy from MK9 and Spawn) added to the series lore, incoroporating elements to the characters and in one case being rcognised by official canon (The Dream Realm from Freddy's ending is shown in Tremor's and mentioned in 11 iirc)
While I have no problem with it if the game gives enough new info about the character thar's not what the wiki rules are
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You're right, but we are discussing if the rules should be less strict.
Personally I think that a series of guidelines or requirements to apply case by case should be better than just strict rules.
And not having place in the main story shouldn't disqualify a character, imho, especially if it is somewhat relevant for the game/media itself overall, not just the main plot.
Personally I think that a series of guidelines or requirements to apply case by case should be better than just strict rules.
And not having place in the main story shouldn't disqualify a character, imho, especially if it is somewhat relevant for the game/media itself overall, not just the main plot.
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