Pralaya's Questions

[Supreme_of_Universe]

Look at this


>All members of the Endless are the primal truths which compose every aspect of The Presence's creation, which contains 1-A realms such as Limbo, the Monitor Sphere and the Source Wall

Shouldn't Pralaya's avatar be 1-A tier, via destroying such 1-A realms as Limbo and Monitor Sphere?

And also this

>Her physical avatar escaped from its higher-dimensional prison and swallowed the 5-dimensional realm of now

I have read comics with Pralaya (Dark League) and didn't find this action there. May anybody give me scans? Or we should delete this statement.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask the following members to comment here:

Zensum, C2 of Omego, Eficiente, Qawsedf234, PrinceOfTheMorning, Sandman31, SuperAPM, Zark2099, ClassicNESfa.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Actually, yeah. That's probably correct. Pralaya's true form is specifically established as existing in the void outside of creation, which means swallowing all of creation really would mean ALL of it in this context. Her manifestation should scale to creation's 1-A realms.

Here is a scan of her physical avatar swallowing Now. Ignore Deadman's comments about being immune. He didn't realize until later that she could hurt him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

How is Limbo a 1-A realm when Myx's map shows it to be on the same plane of existence as New Genesis? Otherwise the outside of creation stuff is probably enough to justify a 1-A or Low 1-A rating.

 

[Supreme_of_Universe]

Pralaya destroyed all directions of space, including Monitor Sphere, I think her avatar should be 1-A. Also there is statement.

>Even God hirself must inevitably fail

And Pralaya was before Creation and Creator.

Does it put her above the Yahweh ? I think it does.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

@Qawsed: That Snyder story didn't divide the various DC realms dimension by dimension, as we understand them. He misuses the word "dimension" a lot in that story and instead slices DC into several different layers of classification. Prince Of The Morning made a large post about it a couple months before his recent break. When it comes to how we on the wiki measure levels of transcendence, Limbo is more consistently described as a plane beyond Apokolips and New Genesis with 1-A attributes. This was discussed again fairly recently when dealing with the new tiering system.

@Supreme of Universe: Existing before someone and claiming they will return to you are not appropriate methods of scaling one entity above another. This is made even more indeterminate by the fact that the same story describes Prayala as "God's unconscious" and DeMatteis has clarified in a Tweet that Prayala is an aspect of God. Even so, this is not a discussion relevant to tiering the character.

 

[Supreme_of_Universe]

Okay. So... is 1-A for Pralaya's avatar legit?

 

[ClassicNESfan]

It should be, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that seems fine then.

@ClassicNESfan

Are you willing to handle the edits?

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Sure. I can do it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unlock the page. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

I have finished.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks. Should I close this thread?

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Yes. We're done here.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Wait. Scratch that. I missed one thing. Can you unlock it again for me? Sorry for the trouble.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unlock it again.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Okay. Now I'm done. Sorry about that.

And yes. You may close the thread.

 

[Mindovin]

I locked it.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

She already has that listed as an ability.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

But thank you for locking the page, Mindovin.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.