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Possible Pokemon Speed Downgrade.
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Oh wait, you were responding to Aguila. Nevermind.
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Kep ninja'd me on the long post I made.
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So, it seems majority agree that Doom Desire and Signal Beam are not real light. What did they scale to before this?
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No one said anything about Doom Desire.Wrath Of Itachi said:
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I agree that both Doom Desire and Signal Beam shouldn't be considered legitimate, though the latter is unfortunate, since Mewtwo had a 40+ times FTL calc from evading a Signal Beam from Genesect at point-blank range.
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It was agreed on like last year.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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For what reasons again if you can sum them up please?Drite77 said:
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No one said anything about Doom Desire.
The image above disproves it being light due to the fact that it bends. And there are comments above that disagree with it, unless my memory failed me.
The image above disproves it being light due to the fact that it bends. And there are comments above that disagree with it, unless my memory failed me.
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If thats the only reason, then Doom Desire is in the same boat as I said above. People made arguments against "if light bends, it's not light speed", pointing out why its very faulty.Drite77 said:
Yes I still agree with a thread for this standard in general to be made, but if the rebuttals stand, then Doom Desire shouldnt be disqualifed based on this one line of reasoning.
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Doom Desire has no evidence to be lightspeed other than it being vaguely called "sunlight" in its move description, with zero showings, and it bent. There is no reason to accept it. This is exactly why the standards are tight.
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If I recall correctly, the Giant Gengar on the first season had normal mirrors for eyes, and Psybeam was shown to reflect upon touching them.
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It's a wiki rule that it should not be considered real light if it bends. Until that rule is changed, this feat it not valid.
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Define "vaguely".DParadoxIndifferent said:
>with zero showings
Of what? The move having shows contradicts you here. Hard.
>And it bended
Which people already explained why this shouldnt be a reason to disqualify something as light speed. As I literally just said.
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If an ability doesn't meet our light standards from the Laser/Light Beam Dodging Feats, then it should not be considered light-speed, in my view.
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Then someone here needs to make a thread to address this. I will if no one else is up to doing it.Wrath Of Itachi said:
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> Define "vaguely".
"The move is attacked with a beam of sunlight".
We never accept light statements as evidence without further statements, so yes, it's vague.
> Of what? The move having shows contradicts you here. Hard.
Okay, so you can point me to the scans where it has met our standards.
> Which people already explained why this shouldnt be a reason to disqualify something as light speed. As I literally just said.
Irrelevant. It's a wiki rule that things with no particular properties of real light and which bend shouldn't be considered real light. Until a thread is made to change it, people disagreeing with it doesn't matter.
"The move is attacked with a beam of sunlight".
We never accept light statements as evidence without further statements, so yes, it's vague.
> Of what? The move having shows contradicts you here. Hard.
Okay, so you can point me to the scans where it has met our standards.
> Which people already explained why this shouldnt be a reason to disqualify something as light speed. As I literally just said.
Irrelevant. It's a wiki rule that things with no particular properties of real light and which bend shouldn't be considered real light. Until a thread is made to change it, people disagreeing with it doesn't matter.
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I don't mind the DD thing. SolarBeam is the only one I care about currently.
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Until a new calc is made and accepted using solar beam, they should be reverted to their old speed stat.
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Then someone here needs to make a thread to address this. I will if no one else is up to doing it.
There was a blog made.
There was a blog made.
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That blog only specifically adresses why beams are able to "push" someone parallel to the direction of its travel. It doesn't justify the followingWrath Of Itachi said:
light bending for no reason
light being touched as if it were an object (ie: a sword)
light exploding on contact
Light can interact by imparting some of its momentum on objects but that only means we wouldn't take instances where someone is sent flying by a beam of light as proof of the attack not being light, it doesn't really affect anything here since the main issue with DD is the fact that it bent.
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Oh, well I guess there isn't one then. That's my mistake then.
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>"The move is attacked with a beam of sunlight"
First of all, that isnt at all the reason why Doom Desire was considered light speed in the first place. Not the only reason at least.
"Summons strong sunlight to attack 2 turns later" . Flat out saying sunlight is being summoned. So im fairly certain this justifies actual sunlight being used.
>We never accept light statements as evidence without further statements, so yes, it's vague.
See above.
>Okay, so you can point me to the scans where it has met our standards.
Oh? Then never-mind. You gave me the impression that you thought Doom Desire had 0 showings in general, which I was pointing out to be obviously wrong.
>Irrelevant. It's a wiki rule that things with no particular properties of real light
This was never argued-against, nor was it the issue people argued against here. Only the bending aspect.
>which bend shouldn't be considered real light. Until a thread is made to change it, people disagreeing with it doesn't matter.
Yeah on second thought, i'll make this thread. Better to address this asap.
First of all, that isnt at all the reason why Doom Desire was considered light speed in the first place. Not the only reason at least.
"Summons strong sunlight to attack 2 turns later" . Flat out saying sunlight is being summoned. So im fairly certain this justifies actual sunlight being used.
>We never accept light statements as evidence without further statements, so yes, it's vague.
See above.
>Okay, so you can point me to the scans where it has met our standards.
Oh? Then never-mind. You gave me the impression that you thought Doom Desire had 0 showings in general, which I was pointing out to be obviously wrong.
>Irrelevant. It's a wiki rule that things with no particular properties of real light
This was never argued-against, nor was it the issue people argued against here. Only the bending aspect.
>which bend shouldn't be considered real light. Until a thread is made to change it, people disagreeing with it doesn't matter.
Yeah on second thought, i'll make this thread. Better to address this asap.
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I think Solar Beam wouldn't meet our light standard based on @Kepekley23 's points as the Statements about it been considering light look contradicted by the showings.
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Those points were all countered and debunked. Solar Beam is safe.Elizhaa said:
And after I make my thread, Doom Desire is debatable. Signal Beam is the only move thats agreed to be not light speed.
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Cal, that calc uses a non-canon series and can't be used. Or are you just showing the justifications?
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They were proven wrong later as LGPE was announced not soon after, cementing GO as canon.
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This.The real cal howard said:
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