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As a TL;DR from the last thread, while Seismic Toss' animation in games such as Pokemon Colosseum shows the opponent being thrown into outer space and back, nothing close to this level is shown in other mediums such as the anime or manga. This is problematic because the current Sub-Relavistic speed ratings and Low 7-B AP ratings for second stage evolution Pokemon rely on the seismic toss calcs.
There are other feats that could potentially scale to second stage Pokemon, such as Dawn's Piplup's whirlpool feat (For reference, Dawn's Piplup is generally stronger than first stage Pokemon, has more than enough potential to become a Prinplup, and it's shown fighting off Pokemon like Ariados with difficulty).
I also want to talk about Baby Pokemon and lifting strength. For the former, these calcs were made where a Togepi's feats get Building level and Large Building level+ respectively, both of which would upgrade current Baby Pokemon ratings (first Building level feat is slightly higher than the current one).
In terms of lifting strength, I feel like every first stage and above Pokemon should be Class 25 for scaling above Mantyke, a baby Pokemon who doesn't even learn Strength.
Shortened: Current Low 7-B is sketchy, Piplup feat may be usable for them. Babies should be higher into 8-C or High 8-C+. All Pokemon that are > babies should be Class 25.
As a TL;DR from the last thread, while Seismic Toss' animation in games such as Pokemon Colosseum shows the opponent being thrown into outer space and back, nothing close to this level is shown in other mediums such as the anime or manga. This is problematic because the current Sub-Relavistic speed ratings and Low 7-B AP ratings for second stage evolution Pokemon rely on the seismic toss calcs.
There are other feats that could potentially scale to second stage Pokemon, such as Dawn's Piplup's whirlpool feat (For reference, Dawn's Piplup is generally stronger than first stage Pokemon, has more than enough potential to become a Prinplup, and it's shown fighting off Pokemon like Ariados with difficulty).
I also want to talk about Baby Pokemon and lifting strength. For the former, these calcs were made where a Togepi's feats get Building level and Large Building level+ respectively, both of which would upgrade current Baby Pokemon ratings (first Building level feat is slightly higher than the current one).
In terms of lifting strength, I feel like every first stage and above Pokemon should be Class 25 for scaling above Mantyke, a baby Pokemon who doesn't even learn Strength.
Shortened: Current Low 7-B is sketchy, Piplup feat may be usable for them. Babies should be higher into 8-C or High 8-C+. All Pokemon that are > babies should be Class 25.
