- 3,881
- 1,115
We could use Arceus for sizes if we need too but the lakes are still fairly small (only like 200-300 meters)
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Why do they scale above?We don’t need to quantify it either, just scale it above.
it was explained in the replies surrounding it.Why do they scale above?
too early.bump?
1? There's one supporting calc we use that uses real-life scaling as far as I can tell, and that's Piloswine's earthquake. Like I said, there's literally been cases of calcs being rejected and tiers being changed based on this speculative real-life scaling being dodgy, which is largely why fully evolved Pokemon aren't High 6-C anymore. Where are you getting this idea from?It unironically does, do you know how many calcs and shit we have that rely on Pokemon locales being equivalent to their real world counterpart? Enough for me to say that saying otherwise is extremely, extremely suspect and every other calc that uses the real equivalent for scaling or methodology is going to immediately be called into question.
It's better to get this cleared up rather than ignore it if this feat is apparently giving results between tier 8 and 7-B.Ugh this feat's gonna become crap-tier in a few minutes and all of this wouldn't have happened if we simply scaled lower end mons to baseline low 7-B
Use the ground formula for the Drifloom explosion, and finish the scaling.so...anyone got anything else? Any ideas, thoughts?
2373.08571428^3 * ((27136 * 1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 1074053.19 Tons or 1.07 Megatons
Wasn’t it said somewhere that the explosion didn’t cause any significant damage and that we should use 5 psi instead of 20 psiBlog's done. Psycho, the GOAT, already evaluated it. We should thank him, otherwise we'd be here a while.
Now Low 7-B is solid enough, right?
It was said by me. There was a discussion in earlier threads that Pokémon Adventure, the manga this feats happens, tends to make pathetic craters to rather large explosions, even when performed by City level characters. This is a quirk from this series (it basically abuses the AoE fallacy), so I believe it was decided that the explosion should be prioritized.Wasn’t it said somewhere that the explosion didn’t cause any significant damage and that we should use 5 psi instead of 20 psi
This isn't part of Pokemon Adventures/Special despite the name, it's a completely different manga by a different artist and author.It was said by me. There was a discussion in earlier threads that Pokémon Adventure, the manga this feats happens, tends to make pathetic craters to rather large explosions, even when performed by City level characters.
yeah but we've still discussed this specific mangaThis isn't part of Pokemon Adventures/Special despite the name, it's a completely different manga by a different artist and author.
there is a weird inconsistency with craters in the manga, making colossal destructive forces barely deal any damage. An example, in that same chapter, Deoxys' meteor fell which by its size would easily be low 7-C to 7-C and the explosion's size was also consistent...And yet it left a crater that's barely smaller than the meteor itself. Same goes here, the explosion was clearly massive and the exploding pokemon wasn't too far in the air, however there was a 9-B crater left on the ground and most of the energy seems to have gone up into the air.Wasn’t it said somewhere that the explosion didn’t cause any significant damage and that we should use 5 psi instead of 20 psi
then what do you suggest?I don't know lad, that kinda comes off as disingenuous, I get the AOE fallacy but you can't really use the AOE fallacy when it comes to actually CALCING the destruction of things, that only works when there's a prestablished calc they scale off to excuse why they don't blown things up, but you can't calc a 9-B crater like tier 6 because of that. And besides, it didn't even blow away the forest, and it most certainly engulfed some of it, it could just be the explosion had a low overpressure with a large AOE. And if you're arguing all the blast went up into the air, we wouldn't use groundburst, as groundburst is used when the blast hits the ground and the ground limits the expansion of the blast, if it all went into the air, the reason we'd use groundburst kinda ceases to be a thing.
Not that it quite matters, I might have to contest that anyway, the largest mountain in the region is consistently (and I mean that, in every shot of Mt. Coronet, while large, it isn't massive, I posted scans above where you can clearly make out Spear Pillar in every aerial view of the mountain), probably only barely 500m, treating the smaller mountains as 100m taller does seem a tad problematic, they're probably tall, but more around the 250-300m mark, not 600. So even in that case the scaling might be a tad overblown.
Like you keep debunking this feat but what are the alternatives then?
Because we both know we can't have 8-A+ anymore and we both know 8-C, possibly Low 7-B doesn't look good at all.
I wasn't the one who suggested to use a low and a high end. My og idea is to just have low 7-BJust use the Rhyhorn feat?
The plan is to have normally strong ones scale to 1 megaton and have the strong scale to 1.45I think base mons who aren’t noted as super strong should downscale from rhyhorn. Rhyhorn wouldn’t be desribed as being strong, if it’s power is normal for its evolutionary stage.
Basis(es), please?At most Low 7-B | 7-B |
It's in the OP.Basis(es), please?
I see. Low 7-B is solid enough with the accepted values, imo. We just going to need staff approval for this particular proposal.Currently
At most Low 7-B | 7-B | High 7-A
With your proposal
Low 7-B | 7-B | High 7-A
so make y'all choices people, i wanna go dissect kirby lore already since hal pulled out another f-ed up story
Yes, give Hop a little time, there is a little to say.Tagging @Elizhaa, @Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer @SomebodyData @Colonel_Krukov and @Armorchompy, could you give your thoughts on the OP + proposed changes please? Also tagging @The_real_cal_howard since he made the Drifloon calc + is knowledgeable on Pokemon anyways.