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I'd say:
At least 6-C/ 6-A, higher with energy blasts/ At least Low 5-B, higher with CSRC.
At least 6-C/ 6-A, higher with energy blasts/ At least Low 5-B, higher with CSRC.
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OPM Minor Revisions and a Possible Boros Upgrade.
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I don't even really knew how strong Saitama was at that time.
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Armored Boros should not be removed, it's the same principle as Freeza's forms. He can fight in that state? **** it, it's a key. (And there are keys for when the characters turn into god damn frogs, Boros can keep his armored key ffs)
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Are we even scaling armored Boros to dragon or above? Because if we aren't, then that key should be "Unknown, possibly At least 6-C"
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Saitama referred to Boros as strong when against his released self, and again, I don't see why ONE would be specific about a only a form of Boros being dragon or above. If he wanted MB to be dragon or above, he would've said that.
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No, because Boros is Dragon or Above. Naturally a restricted version of that would be lower.
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That's my point. We don't know how much lower. And his "At least 6-C" comes from upscaling from Homeless Emperor, because he a dragon or above. And now he doesn't have that. His armored state should just scale above Geryu's possibly rating.
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First, you don't know what he would have said, but I agree it's safer to scale every form to above dragon. So, responding to your post above, Armored Boros should be considered as such.
Secondly, I wasn't arguing against your threat level tiering, but against your statements tiering. Saitama and Released Boros were talking about the meaning of strength and Boros had just told him about the prophecy, so that statement from Saitama doesn't hold that much weight as his inner monologue, in my view. That's why I would only scale Meteroric Burst.
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Eh, maybe you're right
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Now that I think about it, Armored Boros may not be above dragon. He should be: Possibly 6-C (scaling above Geryuganshoop via Murata's statement) and I'd propose a Possibly 6-B because the databook stated that Saitama's punch, which had buried many enemies, can't take Boros down. I know the meteor isn't considered a living being, but it is still a threat that needed to be destroyed. Besides, Saitama showed interest against Armored Boros and even flicnhed his hand.
Or At least 6-C, possibly 6-B if we consider him as an above dragon (because the meteor is a dragon level threat)
Or At least 6-C, possibly 6-B if we consider him as an above dragon (because the meteor is a dragon level threat)
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Before someone says that the meteor is a one shot attack and threat levels take into consideration that characters do damage overtime, I'd like to remind you that we considered Base Orochi and Armored Boros 6-C scaling to HE's big energy ball, which is basically the same as the meteor, but weaker.
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I think all forms should scale to dragon or above. I'd say we should just scale all his keys to Low 5-B honestly if we are accepting Boros > Orochi in terms of threat levels like what I proposed.
But if we're only going with what the OP suggested, then I believe only released and MB should scale.
That's all I'll say for now. I'll just wait for further arguments from others.
But if we're only going with what the OP suggested, then I believe only released and MB should scale.
That's all I'll say for now. I'll just wait for further arguments from others.
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I'll wait too.
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Armored and Unrestricted Boros are only Dragon
"災害レベル: 竜"
Meteoric Burst is the only one who should get the upgrade via the statement
"災害レベル: 竜"
Meteoric Burst is the only one who should get the upgrade via the statement
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Uh no. This is wrong for a few reasons. Firstly, the databook never explicitly goes into the detail which form of Boros is threat level dragon. Secondly, the book is from the perspective of the hero association, who have never met Boros, so it's clearly not fully accurate.
ONE himself mentions Boros to be dragon or above in general, and again, if he wants to be specific, he will.
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I don't think we should consider Armored Boros as an above dragon since it technically isn't a form. His first true form is released one without any restrictions. So Armored Boros should be 6-C due to scaling above Geryuganshoop while other forms should be above Orochi IMO.
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False, while they are showing CSRC (which the association has zero knowledge of, so, no, it's not their perspective), they never once said shit about Meteoric Burst, so it's Base Boros. This is from Chapter 2, it's not from the Hero Association's perspective.
you do realise that the key word is "or", right?
ONE said he could be equal to Dragon. It would make perfect sense if he was equal to Dragon in base, and above with Meteoric Burst.
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How do you know databook is only referring to those two from either? They even show images of meteoric burst in the corner.
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Again, what's the proof he was referring to meteoric burst specifically when he said above?
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What? Meteoric Burst is only shown when it's describing an ability, like CSRC, or his Kinetic Kick. These were used while in M.B form, doesn't mean M.B is being represented here. Because it's not.
99% of the images are from Base form Boros, the visual representation for the data portion is Armored Boros and Unrestricted Boros.
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Armored Boros is just sealed Boros
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That's an interpretation of the quote. He said Boros is "Greater or equal to Dragon", the only thing that makes Boros greater than Dragon by a significative margin is Meteoric Burst.
His previous forms are depicted as Dragon Threat Level.
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In my opinion it should be:
- Armored Boros: At least 6-C (stronger than Geryuganshoop) possibly higher.
- Released Boros: At least 6-A, likely High 6-A (damaged his ship much more than Saitama's landing), possibly Low 5-B
- Meteoric Burster: At least Low 5-B, higher with CSRC
- Armored Boros: At least 6-C (stronger than Geryuganshoop) possibly higher.
- Released Boros: At least 6-A, likely High 6-A (damaged his ship much more than Saitama's landing), possibly Low 5-B
- Meteoric Burster: At least Low 5-B, higher with CSRC
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I agree with this. But why don't we accept CSRC as 5-B since High 6-A CSRC wouldn't make sense anymore if we accepted Boros as low 5-B
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The rating would be something like
"6-A (Current Reasoning), High 6-A with the CSRC (Current reasoning). Possibly At least Low 5-B (Tornado ship thing and Saitama's statements), higher with the CSRC"
He's not becoming just Low 5-B without harder stuff.
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Why we can't just make boros 5B via statement in Anime?
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Because we use Manga
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This has been debunked multiple times, what exactly is different now?
GodlyCharmander
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What is the debunk? It should be something obvious, right?
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Tatsumaki was extremely casual, clearly not at full power and not explicitly trying to bring down the whole ship when she attacked it. Her intention was to destroy the ship’s cannons, which she succeded in doing. And she did so much damage that the people on the ship were scared for their lives.
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The anime changed what he said. The manga he explicitly limits the attack to just the Earth's surface.
If we're including the ship databook thing I guess it would be secondary behind Saitama statements.
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This... does not debunk the notion that the Ship's overall capacity was superior to Tatsumaki.
Boros is capable of taking his own ship down
Saitama's normal punches aren't. The ship's walls was praised by its durability using Saitama as a basis.
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Yeah, that would make him a God Level Threat, which was not ONE's intentions whatsoever.
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We don’t scale off of Saitama’s punches, so…
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Which is why I suggested it being the secondary thing rather than the primary if this is going through.
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But it shouldn’t be used at all, unless someone wants to change things so we do scale off of Saitama.
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In the past, Murata said: "The animation team misinterpreted ONE’s intentions when animating the Ancient King fight. ONE only wanted Tatsumaki to drop a big boulder on Ancient King. Before the boulder hits him, Ancient King has a flashback of the meteor that destroyed his race eons ago and starts to scream. She was not supposed to pull a meteor from space, if she could do that, she should be able to bring down Boros's ship without difficulty. The meteor scene was supposed to be flashback only."
This kinda implies that Tatsumaki isn't able to just pull down the entire ship like nothing, or at least in my opinion.
But regardless that's far from the main reason for scaling Boros to Low 5-B.
This kinda implies that Tatsumaki isn't able to just pull down the entire ship like nothing, or at least in my opinion.
But regardless that's far from the main reason for scaling Boros to Low 5-B.
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That was multiple years and like four gigantic power jumps ago
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If you want to be technical, pulling the ship down wouldn’t be AP. That’d be LS. So even if we took that as saying she 100% can’t pull it down (and we assumed that statement wasn’t outdated, and it definitely is), that doesn’t mean the ship’s durability is greater than her AP.
Boros being Low 5-B isn’t my issue here, I don’t really care about that. My issue is using Tatsumaki as a basis when she was most definitely not at full power or even exerting herself at all against the ship. She was definitely not trying as hard as she was against like, Psykorochi.
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