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One sword vs Every Sword: Ikki vs Gilgamesh

You maaaay want to equalize speed.

Aside from that, the best I can say is that Gilgamesh spams weapons at the start, which he can do for a long while due to this starting at kilometers of range.
 
let see, Gil will only use a low tier NP from GoB just like he did to emiya, until Ikki blade reach his neck it will be too late for him to be serious
 
A teenager that is more or less the best person to counter his abilities and that Gil has a special annoyance for.

Not to mention, Gilgamesh will quickly realize Ikki is someone with skill the likes of Sasaki, which he won't approach even as a joke.
 
Gilgamesh did only do 2 stupid things in his fight against Shirou due to his cockyness. He allowed him to use UBW and he waited too long to destroy UBW
 
>Looks at Gil vs Lancelot

>Gil vs Gilles

>Gil vs Sakura

litelraly he always cocky if his enemy is just a Mere human
 
Hmm attacking from a range. Pretty sure Stella can do everything Gil can but better in that regard, considering she even tried nukes and omnidirectional attacks.

He doesn't attack from 4km with GoB. It's hundreds of meters, which are legit like one or 2 steps for Ikki.

Also speed is equalized yes.
 
There are way more fights than those.

And you may notice he starts using way more weapons against Lancelot after the first barrage, which we know from official statement Lancelot wouldn't have been able to deal with.

He never underestimated Gilles, he didn't want to deal with him or his monster.

And the only thing he underestimated in Sakura was her recovery speed. He was capable of, and was close to, finishing her off without much issue.

Reminder that Shirou for like almost the entirety of the first half of their fight can barely reproduce one sword at a time, those same swords get blown up from one impact, and Gilgamesh can easily notice how he has 17 of them loaded up at once without Shirou even manifesting the swords and just having the blueprints in his mind. Not only does Shirou's "fakeness" make Gilgamesh that much more asshole-ish towards him in specific, Gilgamesh starts retaliating much more once UBW is out, and only holds back on Ea because its his most prized item.

Here, Gil will notice in short order that Ikki is comparable to the likes of Kojirou in skill and closing in very fast. He will not let him get close, and if failing this likely to make space by himself.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Hmm attacking from a range. Pretty sure Stella can do everything Gil can but better in that regard, considering she even tried nukes and omnidirectional attacks.
He doesn't attack from 4km with GoB. It's hundreds of meters, which are legit like one or 2 steps for Ikki.

Also speed is equalized yes.
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Except her attacks are fire that he evades because SKILL, Gil has much better control of the portals that launch his weapons, and Ikki has no clue what the weapons due compared to what's obviously fire.

Yes, those kilometers will be good for him to think about things. And... 2 steps? Speed equal means that those hundreds of meters give him time enough.
 
isnt thats what he always do in fight? im never see Gil approaching his enemy when he fought people, i meant even emiya easily disarm him so pretty sure he is sucks at melee
 
Depends. Granted people can rarely move admist the rain of weapons so he rarely has any need to retreat.

And more than all, he has homing weapons that can keep up with a fighter jet turned into noble phantasm and pilowed by Lancelot who had no need to care about the high Gs that usually stop pilots from crazy maneuvers. Rather, he killed the pilot in his jet exactly because of that.
 
Gilgamesh doesn't suck at melee. He kept up with Enkidu in his earlier years. He's just not as legendary in skill compared to people like Arturia or Sasaki, and he never focused on any specific weapon form. Shirou only managed to disarm him because he gets the stats and skills of the original wielders' of whatever projected weapon he's currently holding.

Gilgamesh is cocky, yes. That's irrefutable. He is not, however, stupid.

The moment he looks at Ikki, he'll realize that he's dangerous enough to not take lightly, because he still does a surface scan of his opponents with Sha Nagba Imuru in this key - even against people like Shirou. Being "a mere human" isn't reason enough for him to let his guard down. If anything, a legitimately powerful "normal human" would make him hella excited.

If Ikki dodges the first barrage, Gil will keep taking it up a notch depending on how easily Ikki evades each one. By the time Ikki makes it anywhere near Gilgamesh, the latter would be throwing literal oceans of weapons from all sides. If Ikki somehow manages to survive even that (which considering it's speed equal, unlikely, since Gil can't do it either) he'd have proven himself worthy of Ea. at which point, he's ******.

Voting Gilgamesh.
 
Aside from that, we know that Gilgamesh would keep his distance from someone on Ikki's level of skill, has his Vimana or his levivation noble phantasm, and he can adapt to the opponent.

He has weapons that home in people and staves that launch rays of light that also home in on people. If Ikki can evade, it gets exponentially harder.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Except her attacks are fire that he evades because SKILL, Gil has much better control of the portals that launch his weapons, and Ikki has no clue what the weapons due compared to what's obviously fire.

Yes, those kilometers will be good for him to think about things. And... 2 steps? Speed equal means that those hundreds of meters give him time enough.
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Not really. Ikki could deflect 8 sword attacks at the exact same time with skill. A rain of swords ain't no big deal. The type of weapon matters?

"Good to think". Not really he doesn't have any form of knowledge.

Yes 2 steps. Acceleration negation. Even people with speed equal to him could not see him close in 100 meters, due to acceleration negation. Gil is lucky if he manages to see him when Ikki's close.

Oceans of Weapons do not matter when you're fighting an opponent you can't react to due to negating acceleration on top of using Trackless Step if he notices difficulty dodging or blocking.

Perfect Vision will kick in after the first barrage, that means Ikki will know exactly what Gilgamesh will do. Including when he'll bring up EA, to blitz with ittou rasetsu or Shura.

Precog means it'll warn ikki of any dangers before they happen, so ittou shura is a given in a hard situation.
 
GLHF22 said:
Yeah, i think Ikki cant deal with fying people especially when Gill use Vimana
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Actually throwing his sword is a strat he has used before. Throwing his sword and using an invisibly thin wire to bring it back.

And like he can jump dozens of meters into the air no problem.
 
A sword that could freeze things instantly from a mere touch, or swords that home in. Speed equal means that 8 swords at once doesn't really matter. With hundreds of swords upon you, moving your arm takes time and that time means you don't hit them all.

Acceleration just means he's going full speed from the start, and those matches didn't have speed equal or this much range difference. Pretty irrelevant.

So just use homing weapons for trackless step.

So you are saying Gilgamesh can do nothing because Ikki just Ratetsu's when he gets in danger and kills? Sounds a bit stompish.

Dozens of meters into the air... you must be kidding if you think that helps in anyway.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Not really. Ikki could deflect 8 sword attacks at the exact same time with skill. A rain of swords ain't no big deal. The type of weapon matters?

"Good to think". Not really he doesn't have any form of knowledge.

Yes 2 steps. Acceleration negation. Even people with speed equal to him could not see him close in 100 meters, due to acceleration negation. Gil is lucky if he manages to see him when Ikki's close.

Oceans of Weapons do not matter when you're fighting an opponent you can't react to due to negating acceleration on top of using Trackless Step if he notices difficulty dodging or blocking.

Perfect Vision will kick in after the first barrage, that means Ikki will know exactly what Gilgamesh will do. Including when he'll bring up EA, to blitz with ittou rasetsu or Shura.

Precog means it'll warn ikki of any dangers before they happen, so ittou shura is a given in a hard situation.
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The moment Gil has to bring out an ocean of weapons is when he'll already be flying in the air, and that's assuming he wasn't already on Vimana just to lord himself above his "worthy challenger".

You're underestimating Gilgamesh's sheer danmaku. It takes him creating tornados and tsunamis of weapons non-stop for three whole days to empty out his vault, and that's back when he couldn't instantly call them back after he's used them. People far superior to Gilgamesh in combat speed couldn't dodge his 360-degree weapon rain without getting hit. These include people with much better precog than Ikki.

Acceleration negation is pointless when the entire area around him is getting carpet-bombed at the same time. It doesn't matter if he dodges or parries or blocks, everywhere he can move to is getting rained on just as much as if he stood still, and if he parries, there'll be another weapon coming from every direction, right after, all the time. If he tried to dodge, he'd just as likely get impaled by another blade coming from the direction he was moving to.

Even before Gilgamesh deigns to reach that level of danmaku, he'd have already whipped out Ea as congratulations.
 
Just as a reminder Sol, the emptying of his vault happened when he hadn't even properly started his adventures and on the first time he tried firing his treasures. Meaning that his treasury obviously became even bigger after, and then even way, way bigger once he became a Servant and "every prototype of everything humanity has even conceived is part of his treasury" became a thing. So, far from 3 days.
 
Ikki blocks the freezing sword. Homing in, yeah, well he has dealt with a girl that lunches bullets that have "conceptual targeting" meaning that they will always chase their target no matter what. He still invalidated those with skill. The dude with 8 swords was literally 24x faster than Ikki, so yeah with speed equal that just helps by making ikki capable of blocking far more.

Yeah, acceleration means that, but it creates an eye trick, makes ikki almost impossible to perceive for the first 100 meters. The fight was at speed equal boyo, i just said "people as fast as him". And the range difference is literally 300 meters or so. Cus that's when he enters Gil's range.

Not gonna work, he literally forgets he's fighting Ikki. As i've explained before, from Gil's perspective Ikki is literally teleporting in front of him (imperfect version, perfect version would be able to go all the way through).

Pretty much, but it's not stompish considering it's Gil's cockyness that won't let him EA ikki from 4km away.

Gil doesn't open up with "lol airplane", he almost never does that.
 
Then that's, pardon my french, ******* bullshit and outright PSI. You do not make homing stop existing because you have skill, and you do not move as fast as someone 24x times faster than you because "skill". Feel free to explain how skill allows that, otherwise it really doesn't matter.

There's no eye trick, following something that goes from 0 to 100 without any lag is gonna make it hard to track it when only 100 meters away. Compare following a speeding car when its far away to not seeing it until it just briefly appears in your eyesight. He'd already be going full speed when he enters his range as well.

Homing weapons don't care about Trackless step. And actually explain the skill instead of leaving him vague, as he is making his movements seem unimportant so the person doesn't react to it.

Not really. If Ikki can just Itto Ratetsu the moment he precogs danger coming, then thinking and blitzing is way faster than Gilgamesh pulling out Ea and firing.

I never said he did? I said he'd keep his distance from someone with Ikki's level of skill, and Vimana is one of his best mobility options. You think he just walks back? The second he could notice Enkidu he just flew towards him with his levitation NP.
 
I will answer in a little bit. Gotta do some things rn.

But about the ittou rasetsu blitz. Not from 4km. It's not possible to blitz his thought from 4km away, the distance is too great. From couple hundreds of meters though, things change.
 
With a speed difference of 500 and the fact that Gilgamesh needs to draw out Ea first, THEN use it, yes he very much blitzes even from the starting line.
 
He mostly keeps it locked away because he thinks (and he's almost always right) that he doesn't need it.

It still gives him massive insight, like being able to tell Saber lost her virginity and with who, seeing past Caster's fake death and attempt at escaping, the number of weapons Shirou was ready to project despite just keeping the blueprints in his mind and other similar stuff.
 
He does have it, but it's mostly sealed. He only uses it for surface scans to learn who and what he's currently facing.

Right I forgot about Ikki's speed buffs. I'll rescind my vote for now.
 
My main problem is that, like I said, since Ikki has precog and knows when he can't get out except by Itto Rasetsu, Gil can do nothing. Any scenario that ends with his likely dead, Ikki just fills it, amps up and blitzes Gilgamesh.

And no, Gilgamesh isn't gonna use Ea even if Ikki does this at the starting line when Ikki will be 500x, Gilgamesh has to PULL Ea first, and do this after reacting to the fact that Ikki just did a super amp out of nowhere. Surprisingly, characters can get momentarily shocked.
 
Arm swing is still faster than 4km at 500x faster speed. You're implying moving your arm takes more than 1/500th of crossing 4km. Which is not the case. Momentary shock is not a point, as what i said was, if gil were to open up with EA, he'd win, shocked or not shocked wouldn't change his opening move.

Again, it's a 500x amp, if it were around 1km then yes, it would blitz most things, 4km will allow for EA as an opening move.
 
Considering he has to react, summon the weapon, pull it out and charge and fire, yes I would say Ikki reaches first, unless you wish to tell me Gilgamesh pulls all of this off in less than a second which is the time Rasetsu lasts. Not to mention this is Gilgamesh's best case scenario considering using it on a whim at the start of the match.
 
He can pull it off in one second. Considering he's massively hypersonic and all.

And yes, he won't start with it, doesn't make it a stomp. Stomps are to prevent you from putting characters against people way outta their league. A stomp is if he cannot do anything like at all.
 
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