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One Piece: Wano Arc Part 1: AP Revisions; The Dawn
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And even if the Marco/King scale is taken off altogether
Zoro still scales to Marco, who scales to the highest god-tier value, and King clashed blades with Post-Recovery Zoro head on several times instead of just tanking hits with fire-on
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Why's it not a valid AP feat?
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How does Zoro scale to Marco?
From what I can tell, he cut it with Haki.
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Ok, well first of all we can't see any Haki on his blade but I suppose that's not definitive proof that he wasn't using it as the wing didn't regenerate back.
But I have to ask, why would that matter at all? Why does using haki invalidate it as an AP feat?
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Because from what others have said in the general thread it's no different than shattering Aokiji's Ice form.
And Marco was exhausted.
King's not A-6 material it seems.
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That's not what was said in the general thread.
Although King's hybrid is possibly above Marco for being capable of doing more damage to Hybrid Queen than Marco did to Zoan Queen.
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Idc what's said in the general thread, that's not how his body works.
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Fine then.
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Thats not what the argument was. The argument is that King cutting off Marco's wing is not an AP feat. The reason being is that his wing is made out of uncompressed flames. Haki grants NPI, so cutting the wing off would be similar to cutting off butter.
I never said that King doesn't scale to Marco. I only said that that specific feat doesn't count as justification for King's rating.
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Maybe you missed what I'm saying as well then, his wings aren't made off flames none of his actual body is. Like Oda states in the SBS and the VC he has a zoan body, those flames don't act as a logia does, his body is just surrounded by his flames of regeneration to allow instant regeneration. We see direct proof of this when Garp punches him in the face with Haki or when he uses his wings to physically grab and hold Queen and King.
So yeah with or without Haki it's still an AP feat regardless.
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Non-Physical Interaction doesn't necessarily mean durability negation.
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I don't think his flames have durability shown as they get pierced by fodder swords and guns
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Could you post scans of that?
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I don't see the wings getting pierced tbh
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his head is pierced
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Oh I see it now
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So what needs to be done
Yall stretching the hell out of this thread
Yall stretching the hell out of this thread
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The values need to be added to the sandbox and the values that will be added to the verse page and who scales could probably be made, that's it I believe.
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This Like saying with Haki you can Fodderized any Logia users wich is not true.
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Not at all what I was saying or what I meant.
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KingTempest16/Final Sandbox One Piece AP (Wano)
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Looks great.KingTempest16/Final Sandbox One Piece AP (Wano)
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Small error but the 760 TT are being called Low 6-B on the verse page part.
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Looks cool.KingTempest16/Final Sandbox One Piece AP (Wano)
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Zoro's durability should not have a "higher" with busoshoku if we are using the hakai blocking feat. That should scale to his max durability without asura.KingTempest16/Final Sandbox One Piece AP (Wano)
Yamato's base form justification makes no sense.
Zoan amps are not static and we have no reason to assume all zoans are the same amps. There is also no proof that zoans get stronger with more time except for awakening for which we have no proof that kaido is using.
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Me: Anything else before I finalize the sandbox?
Yall: No
Me: Ok time to finalize
Yall: changethewholesandbox
The Hakai blocking feat is a feat for his regular dura, and he can scale higher with armament
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Me: Ok time to finalize
Yall: changethewholesandbox
This makes absolutely no sense.
The Hakai blocking feat is a feat for his regular dura, and he can scale higher with armament
Kaidou's fruit is canonically stated to amp him to a ridiculous degree, something that isn't on the same level for Yamato. Even Yamato has her own supporting feat for it as well.
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I don't think this is what Lucci is saying. Lucci is saying that since Zoans strengthen physical abilities, the more you train yourself, the better you'll get with Zoan powers. So a weak guy who doesn't do any training will be less impressive with a Zoan transformation than a strong, trained soldier would be with a Zoan transformation.
It's not that the Zoan ability itself is enhanced; but the base level of strength that is being enhanced by the Zoan powers being higher leads to be better results.
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For Robi; does Demonio Fleur even provide greater striking strength? She beat Black Maria via grappling, not striking.
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Zoro would have to be using armament to block that. You can even see his swords are black when he was blocking it. It makes no sense that zoro would jump in to block an attack that can wipe them all out without coating in haki.
If that's true then it's fine.
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Her Gigante Fleur shouldn't be superior than her Demonio Fleur.
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At the very least Wado Ichimonji wasn't coated in koka, for the other two we don't get a clear shot to determine if haki was in use.
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Kaido's fire bagua does not scale to the bajrang gun's multi continental tier. The multi continental tier comes from the decompression and kaido got completely obliterated by it. He only matched the compressed fist which is unquantifiably above the rest of luffy's techniques.
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Lol you were not kidding. The amount of responses you got as soon as you said you were done…
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