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Thank you Calaca. I'll help out as soon as I get out of work.
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One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #5
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Sure, we could put them as At least High 7-A, 6-C with the Tremor-Tremor Fruit, or something along those lines.
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So we should put Zoro's durability with 9-C, likely High 7-A because bullets can pierce his skin just fine.
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No durability change for WB. His Gura-Gura isn't even a physical Paramecia.
@Fix - Big Mom scratched her knee on the ground just by going on a tantrum. Kaido has some unknown reason for being apparently immune to damage (despite having big scars).
@Fix - Big Mom scratched her knee on the ground just by going on a tantrum. Kaido has some unknown reason for being apparently immune to damage (despite having big scars).
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@Cin; Big Mom is a bad example. She has a notable weakness of having her durability lowered when under extreme mental stress.
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@Cin: Invulnerability has already been rejected for Kaido. He and BM are just really really really strong.
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Never said Kaido was invulnerable. I said there's an unknown reason as to why he can't be killed and is seemingly immune to damage. It's been heavily emphasized. And he and Big Mom are really strong because they are among the strongest in the verse, just like WB was. It's like saying Shanks and WB are just irrelevant and would be stomped by BM and Kaido if they were to fight, when that's been proven to not be the case.
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Not necessarily Ttenrr. We'd have to see scans to make a judgement.
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Not really. The city is tiny compared to its body mass.
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You could add the city into the equation but I doubt it would improve the calc much. The city is much smaller compared to the rest of his body so it wouldn't boost it much.
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Usopp's durability seems to vary to a ridiculous degree. It's better off to go for the low end for him.
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usopp didn't even withstand either of those attacks. He was KO'd by Caesar, and Jabra pierced right into him and left him incapacitated for several minutes
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If two characters are knocked out by the same attack, that doesn't mean their durability has to be close.
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... @Ttenrr - No. This is not what it means. He was KO'd and wounded by the attack, and this happened mostly off panel. Surviving doesn't mean he has durability comparable to the attack. He was one-shot. Both Usopp and NAMI were one shot. (she has Sanji's body, but incapable of using it to it's fullest levels, and her pain tolerance and stamina levels would not jump up. Sanji was able to use Geppou in Nami's body, which is something she is otherwise incapable of)
Nothing you have brought up about Sanji's body (Again, hosted by Nami) and Usopp both being KO'd by the same attack implies that Usopp is caparable to Sanji in dura. He was KO'd and the encounter went off-panel, so we don't even have confirmation that Nami was taken out by that single attack.
If an attack pierces your body, for example, it doesn't scale to durability. Being able to stand up and continue fighting accounts to STAMINA, NOT DURABILITY. (Example: It's like saying Law has durability equal to, say Gear 4th Luffy's AP if a punch caves his face in, and he manages to stand up and keep fighting. That's NOT the case, AT ALL)
In other words, Nami and Usopp simply didn't have the endurance or stamina to remain conscious after the attack. Had Sanji been in his own body, he probably could have gotten right back up and continued fighting. It's not like his body was that hurt since he went to have an intense fight with Vergo not long after.
Nothing you have brought up about Sanji's body (Again, hosted by Nami) and Usopp both being KO'd by the same attack implies that Usopp is caparable to Sanji in dura. He was KO'd and the encounter went off-panel, so we don't even have confirmation that Nami was taken out by that single attack.
If an attack pierces your body, for example, it doesn't scale to durability. Being able to stand up and continue fighting accounts to STAMINA, NOT DURABILITY. (Example: It's like saying Law has durability equal to, say Gear 4th Luffy's AP if a punch caves his face in, and he manages to stand up and keep fighting. That's NOT the case, AT ALL)
In other words, Nami and Usopp simply didn't have the endurance or stamina to remain conscious after the attack. Had Sanji been in his own body, he probably could have gotten right back up and continued fighting. It's not like his body was that hurt since he went to have an intense fight with Vergo not long after.
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Just to check, we said that Garp, Mihawk and Sengoku would all be Likely 6-C, right?
And for the profiles that we agreed should be deleted, I'll post them on the Profile Deletion Requests thread.
And for the profiles that we agreed should be deleted, I'll post them on the Profile Deletion Requests thread.
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Squard and possibly some of the EBS characters with no useful feats (Mohji, Cabaji and Sham)
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No, all Yonko commanders and above are 6-c at least in both stats.
Like I said, Doflamingo durability > Leo Bazooka > headbutt G4 > hundreds of strings durability >>>> tens of strings durability
Like I said, Doflamingo durability > Leo Bazooka > headbutt G4 > hundreds of strings durability >>>> tens of strings durability
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@Damage - isn't it time we conclude this? I feel like we're just going in circles at the moment. Like, should we just list the affected characters, their tiers, and perform the edits? I thought it was going to happen earlier (days ago). The discussion changed to another matter entirely.
Basically: 6-C (27GT) characters scale to Kaido, who is unquestionably more powerful than Zunisha (and all the other island-sized monstrosities that are hinted to be on the Grand Line that are visibly larger or equal in size to Zunisha).
Likely 6-C (>4.65GT but <<27GT) characters are the Original 3 Admirals + Sengoku and those who are implied to have faced the top tiers (Mihawk, Garp), and scale above Fujitora and Jack.
At least High 7-A, Likely 6-C for Jack, other Commanders, and the others discussed (Above the High 7-A characters, and scaling to the 4.65GT feat)
High 7-A for those who scale to Charlotte Oven and those who have hurt him (Dre/WC Sanji, Capone, etc.)
As for the lower tier scaling, are there even any 7-As or 7-Bs anymore?
Basically: 6-C (27GT) characters scale to Kaido, who is unquestionably more powerful than Zunisha (and all the other island-sized monstrosities that are hinted to be on the Grand Line that are visibly larger or equal in size to Zunisha).
Likely 6-C (>4.65GT but <<27GT) characters are the Original 3 Admirals + Sengoku and those who are implied to have faced the top tiers (Mihawk, Garp), and scale above Fujitora and Jack.
At least High 7-A, Likely 6-C for Jack, other Commanders, and the others discussed (Above the High 7-A characters, and scaling to the 4.65GT feat)
High 7-A for those who scale to Charlotte Oven and those who have hurt him (Dre/WC Sanji, Capone, etc.)
As for the lower tier scaling, are there even any 7-As or 7-Bs anymore?
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@Cin; I have started to make some of the changes but I've been very busy recently IRL.
Most of the suggestions are already in place such as the Yonkou's stats, amd Jack's.
But not all Commanders are At least High 7-A, Likely 6-C.
Most of them are just At least High 7-A.
Most of the suggestions are already in place such as the Yonkou's stats, amd Jack's.
But not all Commanders are At least High 7-A, Likely 6-C.
Most of them are just At least High 7-A.
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7-B comes from Zoro's cutting Pica feat. I think there's no 7-A feats
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The Sweet Commanders and the Calamities should scale, as it had been proven that Jack is the weakest of the Three Calamities and people like Cracker and Smoothie should logically be just as strong.Damage3245 said:
For Whitebeard's Commanders, i think only the one who had fought the Admirals (Ace, Marco, Jozu) and Mihawk (Vista) should scale and no one else.
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