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One Piece: Canonicity of 3D2Y there
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Not any weirder than Sanji using Diable Jambe to one-shot his own Pacifista. The Pacifista prototypes are definitely weak but they do require some effort from the Straw Hats to one-shot.
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I mean Luffy used G4 on a ship, is that Ship Kaidou level?
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Or maybe they did it just to flex/show off? TBH Sanji kinda spams Diable Jambe Post-TS, even using it on fodders.
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It's to show off, pretty much. Like monkeman said, it's the same reason G4 was used on a ship, and a number. Or Zoro pulling Enma out on fodder, etc.. it's just oda going "look at how easy these things are to do now"
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I'll wait for this to get accepted, watch the movie, then let you know.
It scales off both his base and G2. Burndy used a X50 and a x100 moves vs base and G2 respectively iirc
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So is End of Movie Base Luffy 50-100x superior to his Beginning of Movie self?
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But that's neither here or there, it's for whenever that thread comes about. Right now we focus on the canon side of it
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If you want me to comment my perspective on the issue of canonicity again:
In this scan they say they talked to Oda and asked for permission for the theme and timing of it... and that's it. Just because Oda allowed them to make that doesn't not mean it's confirmation that the same events took place in the manga.
We can get confirmation of this from the Shueisha site where the novel is sold where it says this:
著者：浜崎 達也
原作：尾田 栄一郎
Author: Tatsuya Hamasaki
Original story: Eiichiro Oda
I don't think we have any reason to take the novelization of the special as being canon.
Now, I get that some people might not see any issues with just accepting the special if it "fits in" to an uncovered part of the story but this is far removed from primary canon in my point of view. Unless we had some direct proof, I would not consider this canonical to One Piece's story. Even if it could provide a dozen downgrades to the verse I still wouldn't accept it.
Oda approved for them to make a story for a TV special. He did not give them blanket approval to make whatever additions to the manga canon that they wanted. And even if he approved of a general plot for it, we have no reason to believe he's been fact-checking it.
In this scan they say they talked to Oda and asked for permission for the theme and timing of it... and that's it. Just because Oda allowed them to make that doesn't not mean it's confirmation that the same events took place in the manga.
It fits in there - but just because it fits in to a timeframe not directly covered by the manga does not mean the events took place in the manga continuity.
Oda creating a character design =/= the character is canonical to the series. It's just a design he provided; not a blanket approval that everything they do with the character is canon.
This is not the case. The novelization of the TV Special is written by Hamasaki Tatsuya and the original story of One Piece is created by Eiichiro Oda.
We can get confirmation of this from the Shueisha site where the novel is sold where it says this:
著者：浜崎 達也
原作：尾田 栄一郎
Author: Tatsuya Hamasaki
Original story: Eiichiro Oda
I don't think we have any reason to take the novelization of the special as being canon.
Now, I get that some people might not see any issues with just accepting the special if it "fits in" to an uncovered part of the story but this is far removed from primary canon in my point of view. Unless we had some direct proof, I would not consider this canonical to One Piece's story. Even if it could provide a dozen downgrades to the verse I still wouldn't accept it.
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Idk how you think at all, to me it seems you don't want anything new to add to one piece and be downgraded to some value you think is accurate for just you
If you personally disagree with the evidence you don't just go against it just because you don't want it to be true, I've seen you do that at times
That to me is not want an admin or even a mod should do, they should vote agree or disagree with no biases on the evidence provided
You disagreed mainly because for you it's not enough... How is that in anyway fair? If you don't have any solid evidence for you to disagree with the thread you should stay neutral... Not disagree because of biased reasons
Only for you is it not direct proof...
Not trying to attack you or anything, just wanted bring up how unfair it is with how you deal with certain things
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This has nothing to do with downgrades or upgrades. I made it clear I don't think it should be considered canon even if it provided several downgrades.
This is not about me "Wanting it not to be true." To me, it hasn't been proven to be true so I can't accept it to be true. You may not like it but it is the role of Staff to give judgements on things like this. I've voted disagree not because of any biases involved, but because I disagree with it being canon based on the evidence provided.
This isn't an adaptation of source material unsupervised by Oda but entirely new content new supervised by Oda.
This is also what our Canon page states on Tertiary Canon:
At the very best this may qualify for Tertiary Canon, but even then I don't think it does fully.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
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You were the one who brought that up with how even if it we're to give downgrades, you wouldn't accept it to be canon...
I just talked about what it looks like in terms of your mindset is on how you do things
No, you don't think it's enough evidence because you personally don't want it to be
It's not just me tho who feels that way...
But if you personally think you are being fair then idk... You do you
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That's not my mindset... I used the word "Even" there to show that even if it were the case and I did make judgements based on that, I wouldn't let myself be biased to accept or reject the canonicity because of upgrades or downgrades.
You've seriously misread my post if you think I'm saying there "I don't want it to be canon."
You and the others are entitled to your opinions. All I'm doing it make a judgement based on what has been presented and the current standards on Canon. You don't have to agree with me, but I've given my vote.
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You still brought that up for no reason... But sure
You are saying "For me personally, that's not good enough confirmation. I can't just pretend that it's good for me.", that's you disagreeing with it having enough confirmation because you personally don't like it... How have I misread the post?
Sure... just wanted to bring attention to you with how you do things and how it can be viewed
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Because that has nothing to do with "liking" it.
I didn't write that because I personally don't like the special or whether or not it is canon. Sorry if I was unclear on that.
I'll bear that in mind.
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Canonity CRT is a bitch bruh. You all should expect some opposition to this.
Agree with the OP, the plot of the manga and the film really match to each other.
Agree with the OP, the plot of the manga and the film really match to each other.
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It doesn't have to be directly contradicted for it not to be canon.
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Besides the point entirely. That's just support. It's canon because it specifies it covers the original story's gap with the author's approval.
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If we had a direct statement from Oda that said that the events of the TV Special happened in the original story, then I'd be fine with it, but I don't think that's the case here.
The comments from Akinasu Takagi state that the events of the timeskip aren't covered in both the original story or the anime, so they've produced a new episode that will fit into that gap. Oda has given them permission to make it but he hasn't overseen it and he didn't write it. As far as I'm concerned based on what I've read there isn't enough evidence for this to be canon to the manga.
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Unnecessary. We've accepted other medias as canon for less. We have a statement that Oda approved it and that it's meant specifically to fill the 3D2Y gap for the "original story" aka the manga, and the anime. That's all the evidence needed for it being canon.
"---we decided to make a story about Luffy's two years, which is not revealed in the original story and is also included in "3D2Y"."
The "also" makes it obvious that it belongs in both. They even go out their way to say it isn't an "original story" to the anime like usual OVA's.
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Reason why 3D2Y is canon
1. it doesn't contradict the timeline and is stated to expand on what happened during the time skip
2. oda not only aproved the making of this special but reviewed the script
3. oda was partly involved in the making of this movie he drew the villain
1. it doesn't contradict the timeline and is stated to expand on what happened during the time skip
2. oda not only aproved the making of this special but reviewed the script
3. oda was partly involved in the making of this movie he drew the villain
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I already responded to your previous post on this isee, and I haven't anything in your scans about Oda having reviewed the script. The first pic you posted is just Oda approving the idea for the TV special.
And Oda designing the villain is irrelevant to its status of canonicity. Oda designed Uta too but the events of Film Red aren't canon to the manga.
And Oda designing the villain is irrelevant to its status of canonicity. Oda designed Uta too but the events of Film Red aren't canon to the manga.
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I'm not even gonna bother correcting the Film Red part lol.
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I know there's obviously plot contradictions in the events of Film Red that would prevent it from being considered canon, but it just goes to show that just because Oda designed a character for a TV special / movie, doesn't mean that his influence in it is making those TV specials or movies canon to the manga.
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I mean obviously the actual plot of the movie isn't canon but iirc it's been stated that Shanks' abilities and the backstories are.
This is minor but there's also a shadow in what ever chapter it is that Shanks scares Aramaki that looks like Uta but it's not really elaborated on so I couldn't use it as evidence ( plus that whole scene was to promote the movie and hype Shanks basically ).
So Shanks' abilities, and his backstory, are canon.
Uta, POSSIBLY, PROBABLY, canon. Not even 70% sure bout her.
This is minor but there's also a shadow in what ever chapter it is that Shanks scares Aramaki that looks like Uta but it's not really elaborated on so I couldn't use it as evidence ( plus that whole scene was to promote the movie and hype Shanks basically ).
So Shanks' abilities, and his backstory, are canon.
Uta, POSSIBLY, PROBABLY, canon. Not even 70% sure bout her.
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She appears in the manga so she's canon.
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I know, but like, it's still just a shadow and she appears only once.
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She's in databook 4B's chronological thing. Her entire past in Foosha up until Elegia's destruction is canon. Film RED Events aren't
Irrelevant to the current thing anyway, but still
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your ignorance is making you blind bro
(No offense)
you said oda have nothing to do with 3D2Y I showed you he created the character called “world” Who was Created By oda
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Dude, I already knew about that and addressed why that's not relevant.
Nice attempt with the "no offense" when you're blatantly trying to offend me by calling me blind and ignorant.
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Oda supervise it he created world
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Providing the design for one of the characters doesn't justify it as being canon.
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I will explain your fiveDude, I already knew about that and addressed why that's not relevant.
Nice attempt with the "no offense" when you're blatantly trying to offend me by calling me blind and ignorant.
what is definition of canon.?
Canon (fiction) - Wikipedia
did oda gave approvals/permission?
Yes he have
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I have question Why do you think oda created world? If it wasn’t canon than why did oda make an effort to make world
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Oda only interferes with movies which are canon like Z or red (the events aren’t canon)
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We have our own page and standards on Canon.
I'm not going to speculate on Oda's thought process. He created World for the TV special and that's all we know. We don't know he designed World deliberately in order to be a canon character. There's no reason why Oda couldn't just provide a design for a non-canon TV special for the anime. He's also done design work for the movies too but we don't accept those as canon.
If World shows up in the manga itself, then great. For all we know we might get a flashback panel to Luffy's training time and see World.
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Ok all cause I can see it as canon doesn't mean that I'm gonna agree with these dogshit arguments
Oda has drawn Douglass Bullet, Patrick Redfield, Carina, Adio Suerte, Gild Toreso, Bacarrat, and literally dozens of non canon characters who have no connection whatsoever to the main canon
onepiece.fandom.com
Actually now I'm switching to disagreeing with the canonicity of the movie
This is so ******* wrong
Oda has drawn Douglass Bullet, Patrick Redfield, Carina, Adio Suerte, Gild Toreso, Bacarrat, and literally dozens of non canon characters who have no connection whatsoever to the main canon
Non-Canon Characters Designed by Oda
onepiece.fandom.com
Actually now I'm switching to disagreeing with the canonicity of the movie
Oda interferes with the non canon anime. Who is telling you this bullshit
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