One Piece: Beginning of Timeskip Sanji Revision

[KingTempest]

First of all

https://vsbattles.com/threads/sanji-haki-upgrade.139102/

This should be in his 2nd post timeskip key, not his first, since he never shows anything above basic armament haki in his first key

Secondly

Large Mountain level+ with Diable Jambe (Doflamingo complimented the power of his Diable Jambe, while he said Luffy's Eagle Bazooka was weak)

This is for his barrage attack, not his regular DJ strikes.

Third

At least Relativistic+ (Got in between the fight of Jinbe and Gear 2nd Luffy. Matched Vergo and at one point out-maneuvered him in a skirmish)

The first one

He never out-maneuvered him in their fight in base, specifically only with DJ, but never in base.
Also Vergo scales to him, so remove that out of his justification.

Fourth
Apparently throughout the wiki and mainly from me, Sanji has this justification on his Busoshoku Haki potency in any thread

FMI Luffy​

Luffy's Haki wasn't good against sharp objects.

Whole Cake Island​

Sanji can slightly block off a bladed attack from Judge with his Haki, something Luffy couldn't do with Hody.

This is bullshit
This isn't a Haki factor. People without Haki can block bladed attacks, does that mean it requires Haki now?
That inputs a random NLF where you need Haki, or superior Haki rather, in order to block bladed attacks
It just means Sanji's more durable

On top of that, I don't think I need to explain why a small part of a blade on a leg and a plethora of teeth on a small area of an arm is the same thing
Hody bit Luffy with his razor sharp teeth. Judge smacked Sanji with a blade.

Piercing via biting and slashing are 2 completely different things

Sanji's buso potency will scale to baseline, that random justification is bs

This'd be changed into

Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Could match attacks from Vergo, who could slightly crack his leg), higher with Diable Jambe, Large Mountain level+ with barrage attacks (Doflamingo complimented the power of his Poêle à Frire: Spectre, while he said Luffy's Eagle Bazooka was weak)

At least Relativistic+ (Got in between the fight of Jinbe and Gear 2nd Luffy)

 

[Eminiteable]

Edited: Agree with everything here

 

[Eseseso]

Agree.

 

[KingTempest]

I wanna add something else too

Apparently throughout the wiki and mainly from me, Sanji has this justification on his Busoshoku Haki potency in any thread

FMI Luffy​

Luffy's Haki wasn't good against sharp objects.

Whole Cake Island​

Sanji can slightly block off a bladed attack from Judge with his Haki, something Luffy couldn't do with Hody.

This is bullshit

This isn't a Haki factor. People without Haki can block bladed attacks, does that mean it requires Haki now?

That inputs a random NLF where you need Haki, or superior Haki rather, in order to block bladed attacks

It just means Sanji's more durable

On top of that, I don't think I need to explain why a small part of a blade on a leg and a plethora of teeth on a small area of an arm is the same thing

Sanji's buso potency will scale to baseline, that random justification is bs

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

This looks fine to me

 

[Kachon123]

He never out-maneuvered him in their fight in base

Read the fight?

 

[KingTempest]

Read the fight?

So doing a single dodge is outmaneuvering

Oh brother

 

[Kachon123]

So doing a single dodge is outmaneuvering

Oh brother

"Oh brother" my ass. A simple google search disproves you.

 

[KingTempest]

"Oh brother" my ass. A simple google search disproves you.

Who said he moved faster?
Cause he dodged his hit in close range?

No, he just dodged it. "Outmaneuvered him" is false

Even the anime clarifies the scene, they moved relatively the same distance

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Who said he moved faster?
Cause he dodged his hit in close range?

No, he just dodged it. "Outmaneuvered him" is false

It also says "with greater agility" in the definition gangy.

Even the anime clarifies the scene, they moved relatively the same distance

Can't say anything about this.

 

[Kachon123]

No, he just dodged it. "Outmaneuvered him" is false

"Evade an opponent by moving faster or with greater agility"

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Just seems like Base Sanji and Vergo are equal in speed

 

[KingTempest]

It also says "with greater agility" in the definition gangy.

Bro we not friends (jk)

But ducking is "greater agility" now?

Can't say anything about this.

gg

"Evade an opponent by moving faster or with greater agility"

Where is the greater agility in ducking a kick?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bro we not friends (jk)

But ducking is "greater agility" now?

I don't know.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Fireld]

Easy agree.
Speaking of Sanji vs Judge, he got electricity resistance for not getting zapped by the electro-magnetic spear. But Sanji was noted to be using haki previously in that fight & other haki users have blocked electric based attacks so would that be a resistance for armament rather than just him?

 

[KingTempest]

Easy agree.
Speaking of Sanji vs Judge, he got electricity resistance for not getting zapped by the electro-magnetic spear. But Sanji was noted to be using haki previously in that fight & other haki users have blocked electric based attacks so would that be a resistance for armament rather than just him?

not rly, its not something easily identifiable as haki

 

[Fireld]

not rly, its not something easily identifiable as haki

Then would Sanji(& Luffy) blocking Zeus from attacking Reiju count as a resistance feat for Sanji too?

 

[KingTempest]

Then would Sanji(& Luffy) blocking Zeus from attacking Reiju count as a resistance feat for Sanji too?

yeah ish

 

[SnookB]

This is for his barrage attack, not his regular DJ strikes.

I'm glad someone finally pointed this out.
That's the same as Luffy's Jet Gatling scaling over his regular G2's before.

Agree with everything

 

[Damage3245]

Looks fine.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Bump

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Bumpo

 

[Eseseso]

King and Damage agree, I think this can be accepted.

 

[Eseseso]

BUMP

 

[Eseseso]

Pretty sure this can be put in. Multiple staff agree

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Fourth
Apparently throughout the wiki and mainly from me, Sanji has this justification on his Busoshoku Haki potency in any thread

This is bullshit
This isn't a Haki factor. People without Haki can block bladed attacks, does that mean it requires Haki now?
That inputs a random NLF where you need Haki, or superior Haki rather, in order to block bladed attacks
It just means Sanji's more durable

On top of that, I don't think I need to explain why a small part of a blade on a leg and a plethora of teeth on a small area of an arm is the same thing
Hody bit Luffy with his razor sharp teeth. Judge smacked Sanji with a blade.

Piercing via biting and slashing are 2 completely different things

Sanji's buso potency will scale to baseline, that random justification is bs

This'd be changed into

Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Could match attacks from Vergo, who could slightly crack his leg), higher with Diable Jambe, Large Mountain level+ with barrage attacks (Doflamingo complimented the power of his Poêle à Frire: Spectre, while he said Luffy's Eagle Bazooka was weak)

At least Relativistic+ (Got in between the fight of Jinbe and Gear 2nd Luffy)

This argument is so ass what the hell.
Haki increases Durability. Suffice to say.. Someone's Haki not being good enough to increase their durability to the point of blocking a sharp attack, and someone's Haki being good enough to block a sharp attack, leads to the latter person's Haki being better.
So yeah, Sanji being more durable literally means he's got better Haki, lmfao.
It's like, by your logic, Blackbeard blocking a mountain slashing attack with one arm and Armament Haki doesn't make his Haki better than FMI Luffy either, which is also silly.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Bump

 

[KingTempest]

Haki increases Durability. Suffice to say.. Someone's Haki not being good enough to increase their durability to the point of blocking a sharp attack, and someone's Haki being good enough to block a sharp attack, leads to the latter person's Haki being better.

This is not the damn point

There are people without any type of Haki who are more durable than Haki users. The same would apply here.

So yeah, Sanji being more durable literally means he's got better Haki, lmfao.

It would mean he's more durable, it doesn't mean his Haki is stronger

If Sanji's base is a ******* 400 and Luffy's base is a 100, Luffy's Haki can add on 299 and still be inferior to Sanji's base dura even before he uses Haki to block

It's like, by your logic, Blackbeard blocking a mountain slashing attack with one arm and Armament Haki doesn't make his Haki better than FMI Luffy either, which is also silly.

It doesn't, because his base durability already scales above that

 

[Eseseso]

There are people without any type of Haki who are more durable than Haki users. The same would apply here.

It would mean he's more durable, it doesn't mean his Haki is stronger

If Sanji's base is a ******* 400 and Luffy's base is a 100, Luffy's Haki can add on 299 and still be inferior to Sanji's base dura even before he uses Haki to block

Agree 100% with this.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I waited that long for a response and you didn't debunk my damn point.
I quit.

 

[KingTempest]

Yay

Anyone else have an issue with something 2 staff accepted before I add it?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You could have added it weeks ago lmao.

 

[Damage3245]

Yay

Anyone else have an issue with something 2 staff accepted before I add it?

Post-Timeskip Sanji is about to be updated with the other characters in this sandbox here. So you may as well add the changes to the sandbox version.

 

[Eseseso]

Yay

Anyone else have an issue with something 2 staff accepted before I add it?

Damage is already adding the DJ barrage part to his sandbox since I asked him to.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This is not the damn point

There are people without any type of Haki who are more durable than Haki users. The same would apply here.

It would mean he's more durable, it doesn't mean his Haki is stronger

If Sanji's base is a ******* 400 and Luffy's base is a 100, Luffy's Haki can add on 299 and still be inferior to Sanji's base dura even before he uses Haki to block

It doesn't, because his base durability already scales above that

Okay I'm sorry but I can't let that shit slide man.
What proof do we even have that he's more durable than Luffy in his base at that key? Is there a statement about it? A feat?
Also, Judge doesn't even talk about his natural durability either, he specifically talks about the fact that he's using Haki there.
But I guess he was talking out of his ass there, because "HaKi DoEsN't AdD dUrAbILiTy".
Even though Luffy him self says that good Armament can block even blades.. Again.. That is a durability feat.

 

[KingTempest]

Okay I'm sorry but I can't let that shit slide man.
What proof do we even have that he's more durable than Luffy in his base at that key? Is there a statement about it? A feat?
Also, Judge doesn't even talk about his natural durability either, he specifically talks about the fact that he's using Haki there.
But I guess he was talking out of his ass there, because "HaKi DoEsN't AdD dUrAbILiTy".

Who the **** says Haki doesn't add durability

Idk if you just refuse to read or if you can't comprehend ******* arguments

Haki adds durability.
The growth in durability isn't by default assumed to be because of ******* Haki

Like i'm actually sick and tired of you misinterpreting every time I press a key on my keyboard cause you fail to understand simple english, then you stand by it like a dumbass

Hell, even beyond the Lucci statement, there's still others like you saying Armament doesn't amp Durability.

I'm sick of it

Nobody said it doesn't amp durability. It's come to the point where I'm actually convinced that you can't read

"Show proof" I don't ******* have to.

There is no reason in hell why the **** we have to just assume he has better Haki because of a feat not even close to the shit that hurt Luffy

Even though Luffy him self says that good Armament can block even blades.. Again.. That is a durability feat.

NOBODY SAID IT'S NOT A ******* DURABILITY FEAT

WE SAID IT'S NOT A HAKI SUPERIORITY FEAT

Get out this thread like you said you would

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Who the **** says Haki doesn't add durability

Idk if you just refuse to read or if you can't comprehend ******* arguments

Haki adds durability.
The growth in durability isn't by default assumed to be because of ******* Haki

Like i'm actually sick and tired of you misinterpreting every time I press a key on my keyboard cause you fail to understand simple english, then you stand by it like a dumbass


I'm sick of it

Nobody said it doesn't amp durability. It's come to the point where I'm actually convinced that you can't read

"Show proof" I don't ******* have to.

There is no reason in hell why the **** we have to just assume he has better Haki because of a feat not even close to the shit that hurt Luffy


NOBODY SAID IT'S NOT A ******* DURABILITY FEAT

WE SAID IT'S NOT A HAKI SUPERIORITY FEAT

Get out this thread like you said you would

First of all, calm the **** down. It ain't like I beat your dog to death in front of you, aight?
Second of all, it is definitely a superior Haki feat.
Luffy used Armament to enhance his Durability against a sharp object, didn't work.
Sanji used Armament to enhance his Durability against a sharp object, it worked.
It's easy to say that Sanji's Armament > Luffy's.
So stop bitching and moaning because I happen to disagree with your proposals, it doesn't make you any better than me.

 

[KingTempest]

Luffy used Armament to enhance his Durability against a sharp object, didn't work.
Sanji used Armament to enhance his Durability against a sharp object, it worked.
It's easy to say that Sanji's Armament > Luffy's.

If Luffy tried to use armament against a planet level attack, and failed
And Sanji used armament against a wall level attack, and succeeded

Would Sanji's armament scale higher that Luffy's?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

If Luffy tried to use armament against a planet level attack, and failed
And Sanji used armament against a wall level attack, and succeeded

Would Sanji's armament scale higher that Luffy's?

Epic Strawman argument.