One Piece: Sanji's Enhanced Speed

[Kachon123]

One Piece: Sanji Disappears

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Sanji's speed section on his profile would look like this:

At least FTL (Moved this fast), higher attack speed with Diable Jambe, FTL+ with his enhanced speed (Moved faster than Hybrid Queen could see, who at first believed he was invisible), far higher with Ifrit Jambe (Utilizes both his enhanced speed and Diable Jambe. Landed 10 consecutive hits on Hybrid Queen without him able to respond)

Sanji is the only character who scales to this right now, so his profile is the only one effected by this.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Agree FRA

 

[Nierre]

Sanji speed blitzes fra

 

[KingTempest]

It's fine

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This makes sense, good job

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good!

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Finally glad to see Sanji catch a W, agree

 

[Duedate8898]

Don't we normally need a statement or a calc to assume lightspeed reactions from Queen for this calc?

 

[Kachon123]

Don't we normally need a statement or a calc to assume lightspeed reactions from Queen for this calc?

Nope. Henry Queen is already stated lightspeed.

 

[Duedate8898]

Yeah, the attack is lightspeed, but Queen isn't using the attack in this scan. And unless he has a statement of being lightspeed himself or having the reactions, we'd have to calculate an instance of him reacting to his attack in order to give him lightspeed reactions. Unless there's another reason.

 

[KaydeeX]

A possibly/likely FTL+ would be better, under Duedate8898 analysis.
Sightly reacting still needs to be evaluated by a calc.

 

[Damage3245]

Where is the proof that Queen's Henry Queen is moving at lightspeed there?

Nope. Henry Queen is already stated lightspeed.

Then post the statement.

 

[KingTempest]

Henry Queen = Henry Blazer = LS
I don't think we really need to say Henry Queen ain't LS, only point of contention should be the reactions

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Where is the proof that Queen's Henry Queen is moving at lightspeed there?



Then post the statement.

I think he's claiming that because Henry Blazer is light speed, Queen's imitation of it must be light speed too.
Kind of an association fallacy but I don't really give a shit.

 

[Damage3245]

I think he's claiming that because Henry Blazer is light speed, Queen's imitation of it must be light speed too.
Kind of an association fallacy but I don't really give a shit.

Yeah. It is an association fallacy.

Henry Blazer being a lightspeed attack that Niji can use (which works entirely differently to Queen extending his neck) doesn't prove that Henry Queen is a lightspeed attack too.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

One Piece: Sanji Disappears

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Sanji's speed section on his profile would look like this:



Sanji is the only character who scales to this right now, so his profile is the only one effected by this.

Also:
One: Queen doesn't really need to react to this movement, he's just moving in a straight line at Sanji.
I could get if it was like Kuro using that Soru-like technique and cutting everything because he can't comprehend the speeds he's moving at, but this is just him lunging at Sanji in a very straightforward manner.
Kind of hard to word but I think you get the point.
Two: Sanji couldn't react to the attack in time, we see the little spark next to him indicating he sees it coming but he doesn't even attempt to block or anything, so it was likely a blitz.
Three:

Kind of an association fallacy

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Henry Queen = Henry Blazer = LS
I don't think we really need to say Henry Queen ain't LS, only point of contention should be the reactions

It's just an imitation.
Just like you wouldn't say Yamato's Thunder Bagua is the exact same in speed, AP, etc. to Kaidou's, you shouldn't say Henry Queen = Henry Blazer in speed.

 

[Eminiteable]

I agree FRA

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yeah. It is an association fallacy.

Henry Blazer being a lightspeed attack that Niji can use (which works entirely differently to Queen extending his neck) doesn't prove that Henry Queen is a lightspeed attack too.

Then why did you accept it as such...

The lightning and niji himself moves at the speed of light through science (that's literally niji's main ability), how would it work entirely differently if he replicated that with science?

him moving differently doesn't change that

 

[Damage3245]

Then why did you accept it as such...

I accepted the ability, not a speed rating for Queen which isn't mentioned in the OP of that thread.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Then why did you accept it as such...

The lightning and niji himself moves at the speed of light through science (that's literally niji's main ability), how would it work entirely differently if he replicated that with science?

him moving differently doesn't change that

Because he never says they're exact replicas.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I accepted the ability, not a speed rating for Queen which isn't mentioned in the OP of that thread.

But that is literally the ability of niji...

 

[Damage3245]

But that is literally the ability of niji...

I'm just correcting you when said I accepted Queen having a lightspeed attack through that.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'm just correcting you when said I accepted Queen having a lightspeed attack through that.

Ok, Sure but how isn't it light speed through that if that's niji's ability with science?

That is what queen researched and replicated which is what you accepted, if you disagree with the speed then you're disagreeing with queen having niji's abilities

 

[KingTempest]

Queen saying that he replicated it means that he made the ability in the same way
He just uses it differently

Just like how Ichiji's main ability is to shoot lasers but he usually runs while doing so, Queen's lasers are the same

Niji's ability is just to move at lightspeed, Queen's is the same except he doesn't run around slashing ppl, but his neck still moves at LS

 

[Eseseso]

Actually, how can Queen react to his own Henry Queen?

 

[KingTempest]

Actually, how can Queen react to his own Henry Queen?

Because he can stop his movement in the middle of it

 

[Damage3245]

Niji's ability is just to move at lightspeed, Queen's is the same except he doesn't run around slashing ppl, but his neck still moves at LS

I wouldn't say that Niji's ability to just to move at lightspeed. I'd say it's more controlling electricity in combat.

Queen does the same thing via electrocuting Sanji with his attack. That's what I'd consider to be the ability they share there.

 

[KingTempest]

I wouldn't say that Niji's ability to just to move at lightspeed. I'd say it's more controlling electricity in combat.

Queen does the same thing via electrocuting Sanji with his attack. That's what I'd consider to be the ability they share there.

Niji's regular ability is to utilize lightning. His Henry Blazer's point is to move at lightspeed and he uses his sword to aid that

 

[Eseseso]

Because he can stop his movement in the middle of it

Um, I don't see him stopping his movement in the middle of it, I just see him shooting his attack right at Sanji, and it hits Sanji.

 

[Kachon123]

I wouldn't say that Niji's ability to just to move at lightspeed. I'd say it's more controlling electricity in combat.

Queen copied Henry Blazer Damage, let's not do this.

 

[Kachon123]

Um, I don't see him stopping his movement in the middle of it, I just see him shooting his attack right at Sanji, and it hits Sanji.

If he didn't stop his movement they would go crashing into a wall.

 

[Damage3245]

Queen copied Henry Blazer Damage, let's not do this.

Let's not do what?

You're assuming that his move is in reference to Henry Blazer, when it could be in reference to Henry Needle instead - where Niji just electrocutes an opponent like Queen does to Sanji.

 

[Kachon123]

Let's not do what?

You're assuming that his move is in reference to Henry Blazer, when it could be in reference to Henry Needle instead - where Niji just electrocutes an opponent like Queen does to Sanji.

Are you kidding me?

 

[Damage3245]

Are you kidding me?

That's just him flashing back to his brother's abilities. He's realizing that Queen is using Niji's electricity powers. It's not proof that Queen headbutted him at lightspeed.

 

[Kachon123]

That's just him flashing back to his brother's abilities. He's realizing that Queen is using Niji's electricity powers. It's not proof that Queen headbutted him at lightspeed.

That's not anyone flashing back to anything. That's Oda showing us what abilities Queen was using.

 

[Damage3245]

That's not anyone flashing back to anything. That's Oda showing us what abilities Queen was using.

It doesn't prove Queen is moving at lightspeed in that scene. Using the same ability does not mean it is being used the same way. I am against this CRT.

 

[Kachon123]

It doesn't prove Queen is moving at lightspeed in that scene. Using the same ability does not mean it is being used the same way. I am against this CRT.

Make a CRT.

 

[Damage3245]

Make a CRT.

... This is a CRT. Get more staff to vote in favor of it.

 

[Kachon123]

... This is a CRT. Get more staff to vote in favor of it.

I'm not sure why you're acting like this is new information.

This CRT is going off what is accepted in the profiles. If you want to change said profile, you have to make a separate thread.

Don't derail my thread.