- 3,334
- 1,365
I was only kidding.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Official Smash Ultimate tier list
- Thread starter Pulinno
- Start date
- 1,119
- 58
Well to be fair Smash does create inconsistencies with him and other characters. Plus it gives him some new haxes not done in the story, from his Final Smash alone he gets BFR, Pocket Reality Manipulation, and SummoningPulinno said:
- 10,332
- 4,442
If Shulk resists BFR and Sonic has no wisps then Shulk wins eventually I think.
- 3,560
- 639
Updated with that in mind, as well as some changes with Roy's stats. I'll reupdate it as soon as Byleth can be added.Pulinno said:
Also Mr. G&W doesn't have a non-smash key anymore so checking where he goes compared to Roy and Shulk was so much fun *sarcasm intensifies*
- 5,823
- 1,232
Why is Ness in the nuclear section? His avatar can be Low 2-C as well.
- 3,560
- 639
I rmemeber someone a while ago saying Pre-Magnificant Ness was the smash version. I know jackshit about Earthbound and nobody has said anything since so I've just gone with it..
- 5,823
- 1,232
His trophy description seems to suggest it's Post Magicant actually, so I'd put Ness up in 4D
- 3,560
- 639
Dust_Collector
They/Them- 7,248
- 7,423
Why is Bowser in 4-D and Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Jr in Cosmic? They're not portrayed as anything other their regular base forms in the game.
- 3,560
- 639
Is there any indication that it couldn't be their power/grand star forms?
- 5,463
- 794
Also why is Bowser high up?
- 3,560
- 639
@Bware Thankyou and Spoilers. I'm highly prioritizing speed which Roy and G&W both beat Shulk out by a longshot
@Generic his Grand Star key is Low 2-C, seems wierd that Mario doesn't hae a Low 2-C key of his own
@Generic his Grand Star key is Low 2-C, seems wierd that Mario doesn't hae a Low 2-C key of his own
- 3,560
- 639
fair enough
- 1,496
- 616
Reason why Mario doesn't have a Low 2-C key is due to the fact that it would mean that Bowser's base is Low 2-C which doesn't make sense for both the plot and lore.
- 3,560
- 639
So Mario beating him is an outlier? I'm guessing he didn't have power stars boosting him when he did that?
- 3,334
- 1,365
Wait, so this doesn't display the characters at their best? Why not? Also, this version of Joker is not during the start of the game. They stated in his Smash trailer that he can use other Persona's if we wanted to. Eigaon is also a late game move you learn. Arsene reappears in Sae's palace during the end, meaning this Joker is at least 4-A.
- 15,701
- 11,429
Wait, why is Bowser in 4-D?
- 3,560
- 639
We have 2 lists goingDatOneWeeb said:
- 302
- 37
Haru exists as a cameo in Joker's All Out Attack, she joins the team on Joker's 4-A key, let alone the fact the player can still use Arsene in the battle against Yaldaboath. So his Low 2-C key is fine.Bware1 said:
- 5,823
- 1,232
It can still possibly work because he has access to abilities (most of his movesets are things he can't use outside of smash) that allude to what the trophy states, where apparently Paula and Poo had taught him those abilities and it was stated that he had defeated Giygas, which therefore means it is Post Magicant.Pulinno said:
And that's not the only thing as his avatar can still be Low 2-C
- 5,823
- 1,232
And? It doesn't really disprove the fact that it's Post Magicant. And I do question... Why are we treating Smash Ultimate as a completely different canon? It doesn't make much sense to me since iirc the game picks up right after Brawl at the same area.
- 3,334
- 1,365
Yes, each Smash game is canon with each other. Palutena directly states that Pit was with Mario during the Subspace.
- 5,463
- 794
The Bowser used in Smash isn't implied at all as being Grand Star Bowser
- 5,823
- 1,232
Eh well it still doesn't disprove that it's Post Magicant Ness regardless.
- 1,496
- 616
Eh, Smash isn't the most consistent with these. I mean, Shulk has the Monado 1 but has Fiora in his Chain Attack which doesn't happen until his 5-B self.
- 15,845
- 5,769
Joker does not have access to only Arsene and Satanael, they're just his default Personas for the sake of character. You saying he was sacrificed is game mechanics because they did that TO show off Persona fusion, and he makes an appearance again vs Goro. It's stated in game by Morgana that he can use multiple Personas, so he by no means is Nuclear.
ShakeResounding
He/Him- 7,997
- 6,252
If this is purely AP, Sonic should be above Link but below Mega Man since Base Sonic scales >>> 3.736 Ninatons. And since Mega Man is soon getting upgraded to 11 Ninatons iirc, he remains at the top.
- 3,334
- 1,365
Ryuji says Joker can use more powerful Personas. Haru is also in the background of Mementos but not Akechi, which likely means that this is after Shido's palace. At the very least, this should be End-Game Joker.
- 15,845
- 5,769
Which is still Low 2-C.
- 3,334
- 1,365
That's the point.
- 15,845
- 5,769
I know, I was agreeing with your argument that he isht nuclear.
Similar threads
