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Official Smash Ultimate tier list

Byleth schools you
  • Byleth upgraded to Low 6-B
  • Now using Majora's Mask for Young Link
  • Rosalina was apparently downgraded to High 4-C at some point
  • I don't wanna upgrade Wario or DK characters to Tier 4 because Diddy and K Rool don't even have High 4-C keys at the momemt
 
@Rtxthegamer @Pulinno

3-A Bayonetta has been a plan for a long time now, Weekly's been working on the character revision thread but hasn't had the chance to complete it yet, but she will be upgraded to 3-A eventually. Possibly Low 2-C depending on context' of certain things.
 
Pulinno said:
Tony di bugalu said:
Didn't that battle end with Arceus' victory?
Besides, if spirits count then it is Galeem or Dharkron
It's because Shulk can't effect abstract existences and that was made before the hax upgrades and Alvis being added to his kit...that might change very soon though with the on going verse-wide revision.
 
Didn't that battle end with Arceus' victory? Besides, if spirits count then it is Galeem or Dharkron

From what I saw it was because both were 2-B, otherwise Shulk nukes everything
 
Yeah, Alvis (Shulk's Monado 3) ticks off most if not all the current Abstract boxes. We're just waiting until the Abstract revision stuff ends and then making a verdict on it.

If Shulk ends up being able to hurt abstracts then he passives Arceus into submission.
 
JoshSSJGod said:
Yeah, Alvis (Shulk's Monado 3) ticks off most if not all the current Abstract boxes. We're just waiting until the Abstract revision stuff ends and then making a verdict on it.
If Shulk ends up being able to hurt abstracts then he passives Arceus into submission.
"Passives"

Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura because he had no passives to counter him
 
SuperKamiNappa said:
Would Shulk be stronger than Archie Sonic? It looks like Sonic at least blitzes
Funny enough, Shulk's Monado (Alvis) has the same thing going on as Solaris which is where Archie gets his Immeasurable from so for all we know Alvis could just think and incap Sonic.
 
I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
JoshSSJGod said:
Yeah, Alvis (Shulk's Monado 3) ticks off most if not all the current Abstract boxes. We're just waiting until the Abstract revision stuff ends and then making a verdict on it.
If Shulk ends up being able to hurt abstracts then he passives Arceus into submission.
"Passives"
Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura
He lost to Passive Absorption, which now gets countered by Passive Probability Manipulation (It ties in with Precognition), via nullifying 1 reaction of the enemy.
 
"Passives"

Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura because he had no passives to counter him

No, that was before his most recent revisions. Shulk now has passive healing, fate manipulation, space-time manipulation and in a lil' bit he'll have passive life absorption as well scaling off Zanza.
 
Bware1 said:
I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
JoshSSJGod said:
Yeah, Alvis (Shulk's Monado 3) ticks off most if not all the current Abstract boxes. We're just waiting until the Abstract revision stuff ends and then making a verdict on it.
If Shulk ends up being able to hurt abstracts then he passives Arceus into submission.
"Passives"
Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura
He lost to Passive Absorption, which now gets countered by Passive Probability Manipulation (It ties in with Precognition), via nullifying 1 reaction of the enemy.
I mean, 1 reaction means nothing since once that 1 reaction is passively done then he's still absorbed
 
JoshSSJGod said:
"Passives"
Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura because he had no passives to counter him
No, that was before his most recent revisions. Shulk now has passive healing, fate manipulation, space-time manipulation and in a lil' bit he'll have passive life absorption as well scaling off Zanza.

Half of those passives means nothing against Mechi's absorption
 
"Passives"
Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura because he had no passives to counter him

No, that was before his most recent revisions. Shulk now has passive healing, fate manipulation, space-time manipulation and in a lil' bit he'll have passive life absorption as well scaling off Zanza.

Half of those passives means nothing against Mechi's absorption

Even when stuff like passive probability manip can negate it allowing his passives to go off first.

Plus Shulk now resists absorption which I mentioned was gonna be added in that thread.
 
JoshSSJGod said:
"Passives"
Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura because he had no passives to counter him
No, that was before his most recent revisions. Shulk now has passive healing, fate manipulation, space-time manipulation and in a lil' bit he'll have passive life absorption as well scaling off Zanza.
Half of those passives means nothing against Mechi's absorption
Even when stuff like passive probability manip can negate it allowing his passives to go off first.

Plus Shulk now resists absorption which I mentioned was gonna be added in that thread.

1. Not on the level of Mechikabura

2. Can negate 1 passive move, his passives mean nothing to mechi at all, right after that he gets absorbed
 
"Passives"
Didn't he get wrecked by Mechikabura because he had no passives to counter him

No, that was before his most recent revisions. Shulk now has passive healing, fate manipulation, space-time manipulation and in a lil' bit he'll have passive life absorption as well scaling off Zanza. Half of those passives means nothing against Mechi's absorption
Even when stuff like passive probability manip can negate it allowing his passives to go off first.

Plus Shulk now resists absorption which I mentioned was gonna be added in that thread.

1. Not on the level of Mechikabura

2. Can negate 1 passive move, his passives mean nothing to mechi at all, right after that he gets absorbed

You seem to be forgetting a massive point in this and the thread. Alvis only needs a single thought to end the fight and due to Mechi losing his omnipresence he can't touch Alvis quick enough. ( though funny enough Alvis has passive precog like Shulk and we've seen chars like Shulk think and react during the precog so have fun with that. )
 
Funny enough, Shulk's Monado (Alvis) has the same thing going on as Solaris which is where Archie gets his Immeasurable from so for all we know Alvis could just think and incap Sonic.

No? Archie Sonic doesn't get immesurable just from Solaris, there's other feats
 
@Theuser789

Oh, Really? I saw on threads regarding stuff like his Fate Hax that it was his only feat. Oh well, doesn't matter. Alvis's omnipresence is still identical.
 
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