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Who else scales to the 1A shit?
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Nero (Devil May Cry 5) vs Nero (Fate/EXTRA)
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Scottycj256
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I did before I realized Throne of Heroes doesn't scale to the Swirl of the Root
my bad lmao
my bad lmao
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To the Root no, but is certain that the Throne is above the Mooncell.
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The Throne is probably Low 1-C yeah lol
Both Shikis, Dantes's soul hax and Ciel's soul destruction. If you count people with no profiles, Manaka.
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Hey crimson, good to see ya
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Yo Knight, what's popping?
Scottycj256
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bump
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So, stil a stomp or a decisive win for Deadweight?
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Does she have anyway of getting past his low high regen to kill him??
Maybe she can knock him out, but severely doubt that.
Maybe she can knock him out, but severely doubt that.
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Fire manipulation, soul manip and mind manip, there is also the possibility of some regen negation skill via Imperial Privilege, but right now I can't honestly think in one and if just the thought of her buffing with something as simple as Mana Burst is making others explode then that possibility would make them crazy.
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Soul manipulation isn't working for now
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I was refering instead of a true soul manip just attack the soul until destroy it, like what seem they also do in dmc (I know it say they resist attacks to they soul, but they still can be hurt and destroyed from that seem).
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Not if its of lower potency.
So how potent is that soul manip?
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what skills has she gotten with imperial privilege?
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Enough to hurt themselves and basically any being (there are exceptions), though the amount of damage deal is related to they AP or special abilities.
Imperial Privilege is like a GOB/UBW but in skill version, so to know exactly what she have showed to gotten with it I will need a lot of time, thing that currently I don't have, so maybe in some hours (maybe six?) I could search it, thought Mana Burst is without doubt something she can use, the skill it just a burst of mana.
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Loyd
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lmao you don't have to search it up, i definitely agree mana burst should be something she could use.
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Soul manip isn't reliant on AP. Though sometimes Lifting Strength can aid in soul stealing like GoW.
Though all you describe is baseline.
Not useful at all, when even the weakest demons have universal soul resistance.
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Thanks then, it was honestly something that just thinking about it tired me.
I mean that they can hurt soul with they physical attacks, even beings with layers of soul resistance, that's why I mentioned that in that case the damage done would depend of they AP or abilities, it's like demons in dmc in the sense that they can tank/resist the attacks of others demons.
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Soul hax in DMC is irrelevant to physical AP/Dura, there's no relation between them, for any verse of fiction for that matter. Even Bleach doesn't have that.
Soul resistance is like Astral Durability, Soul Hax is like Astral AP. Its all decided by numbers, and any scaling chain above that.
Soul resistance is like Astral Durability, Soul Hax is like Astral AP. Its all decided by numbers, and any scaling chain above that.
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Immense amounts of IRL stuff but I've got enough time and energy to be debating here again, sort of. So an improvement?
This
Soul hax, or any hax for that matter, is not determined by AP. Rather, it is determined by scaling. For a while, having a higherdimensional tier of hax was possible, but it isn't anymore without very explict proof and feats/statements.
There are cases where AP can change a hax via explicit statements in verse (such as SMT), but that's not the case for the Nasuverse.
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Hope things get less busy then. Glad to see you around here.
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BUMP!!
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What about king hassan his death manip has been stated to work in similar manner as mystic eyes
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The comparison was in their properties, not really their potency or scale. Besides, Ritsuka is the one who stated that, and she's not the most realiable source when it comes to cosmology.
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I almost forgot thia thread existence
Well then...bump?
Well then...bump?
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With the recent upgrade i think Red Nero would have a chance here
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Before that I already thought so but because so much time have passed then better continue to wait until the thread of Crimso in which he touch Imperial Privilege in depth.
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Even with the recent upgrade, KnightofSun told us that Servants don't have the same level of soul hax that DMC has. Deadweight would still throw two layered soul hax at Padoru gg.
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I honestly lost track of all soul hax for both sides....so I kinda don't care now.
Besides 5 Nero is getting some downgrade to his physiology.....soooo it could become a stomp.
Besides 5 Nero is getting some downgrade to his physiology.....soooo it could become a stomp.
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And for the thing of range Tier in ahx for how i care about that it's still not a thing that was accepted and applied so why knightofsun use it?
And pretty sure that even in this thread not all the thing counted as range.
If we follow this as higher plan of existance in fate is reality/fiction level it's would still be smurf and not range
Only those that affected a being on a higher plane of existence, like in the reality-fiction example, can by default be considered to have hax on a full Tier 2/1/0 level that is more powerful than regular lower plane hax.
And pretty sure that even in this thread not all the thing counted as range.
If we follow this as higher plan of existance in fate is reality/fiction level it's would still be smurf and not range
Only those that affected a being on a higher plane of existence, like in the reality-fiction example, can by default be considered to have hax on a full Tier 2/1/0 level that is more powerful than regular lower plane hax.
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I meant two layered as in enhanced hax, not higher dimensional. 
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We shouldn't assume Knight's opinions....his opinions may definitely have changed after some recent Fate matches after this one.
So lets not assume it.
You can call him here and then ask him, and then discuss.
So lets not assume it.
You can call him here and then ask him, and then discuss.
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What you talk? I tell that he will not be able to affect her soul. In fate soul are higher dimmensionnal concept.I meant two layered as in enhanced hax, not higher dimensional.
He would need to have his hax work on 4D scale (and not range) to affect it.
Whitout counting that servant soul resistance is not baseline too
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Except the hax=range is not a thing that have to do with fate. But a crt that was made and never had conclusion so i don't understand why he use it like it was accepted and applied
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Bruh....I said it may be outdated opinions now.
Ask him new.
Scottycj256
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even with the whole soul hax thing out the window Nero still has plenty of options
looks at literally every Devil Breaker in his possession
looks at literally every Devil Breaker in his possession
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Soulhax doesn't work. Servants have 6/8D soul resiostance, this has been explained to you already.
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Don't think the 6/8D was accepted, crimson will do a crt about it no?
