Just blocking his attack alone will put him at high 6-c considering most servants can't take that face front.
Alter can swat a caladbolg with just sword skill alone and bodies berserker with just her sword skills.she only needed mana burst to land the killing blow only due to gods hand.
He matches saber alter who is as strong as berserker,which is above the current baseline for servants.
On the subject of Stamina, Sora doesn't have Infinite Stamina, but his Stamina is pretty absurd. A few feats for his stamina would be:
Nope, look at the page, it just describes stuff, but no rating (say, Above Average, Genius) is given.
To some degree, although mere age and skill don't correlate well, as most of that experience isn't dedicated to that, and even in cases where that's the case, the skill often stagnates quickly out of only training for the same stuff.
Still more impressive than seemingly taking decades to get on such level.
And that's still notable skill, merely using all of them at once means little compared to coordinating positioning while using each one depending on the context.
Mainly because the other two Keyblades in that context aren't technically his own, so it's quite context specific, and their usage was mostly offensive from what I've shown IIRC. In any case Sora can innately dual wield, and has even used four blades at once.
Eh, I recall Gil's stuff is far less organized as he doesn't corner the target nor pushes them to disfavorable positions (which is what Xemnas does while doing that laser dome against Sora while he's on his own), instead just spamming the blades and hoping they do all the work for him. Riku was crippled from a single direct hit from Xemnas shortly after, so it's clear Sora couldn't afford taking a hit here either.
I mean, from what I'm understanding nearly every character in Nasu just focuses on a single weapon or so, anyone else lacks the capability to switch on the fly and just sticks to a single one for a significant amount of time, which is quite different from Sora in general to say the least.
And Sora could fight someone that could amp up to about a thousand times
Uh... Sora's powers/memories (and thus skill) are entirely unrelated to the soul, they come from his heart (aka, type 1 concept and type 2 info), and while Nero presumably has powers on such areas, using them to mimic skill without feats both on the stuff involved on that regard, and feats to back up the skill being capable to reach there, especially without the means of practically using them to begin with with the whole Keyblade deal as said before... yeah
Thing is that the attributes here basically involve copying Sora's heart, which is uh... no, it's even stated that a heart is beyond what a computer can handle (which is relevant for servants apparently having minds that can process beyond a digital simulation of the cosmology), and in context it was also regarding, well, a computer that also replicated the cosmology.
I guess we'll have to wait for Regidian or something.
I mean, what inherent traits this kind of magic has then?
If the High-Godly is valid here, yeah, which doesn't appear to be the case from what I'm seeing the discussion so far.
As I'm also implying with Sora's absorption regarding magic stuff, merely resisting "raw" magic and resisting products from magic are quite different things, plus this would be another sort of layer.
Power Mimicry is heavily limited for the sake of NLFs, again, not only this'd require replicating an entire "mind" even beyond what's within her capability as said before, this'd also require to adquire new powers that she has never displayed before. I know this renders Power Mimicry as an ability of little value in matches, but it always was like that for the sake of NLFs.
Age never correlates to skill besides she scales to nameless who has years worth of fighting just fighting experience against equally threats of every kind.
She can get it mid battle.
He does both during his fight against shirou(a fight he was heavily underestimating) and berserker both of which he does use stuff like that.
Yeah because a regular weapon aint nothing compared to noble phantasm.also Lancelot exists,someone who's skill nero can take,who can fight people like gawain with chopsticks.
Low 1-c amps are nothing compared to high 6-c amps
Except literally everyone in nasuverse has type 1 concept and type 2 info,with servants being layered and nero still just as easily takes them.
Ignore that,nasu has 6d,possible 8d,everything scales to that.6d keys have 6d hax.and repeat
I already posted his view on this matter
He ain't immune to infinite layered hax.also it activates and haxes everyone in range,thats how it works.
It is I have already addressed it.
She resists all types of absorption,from biological,power,and energy
What capability,unless you are telling me Sora is smarter than a supercomputer which can process infinite futures,then she just power mimics
Thats what her power mimicry is ,displaying powers she has never seen,heard or even understood.
That exception only applies when an actual reason,other than "because reasons" is given which Sora doesnt have here.
I could argue that taking selfies while someone is trying to murder you is kinda impressive, but makes sense
Well, i also don't remember this being a thing in other fate series games, so i not enitirely sure If Luck would help much here.
Ok
Well, in the Fate route Illya kidnapp Shirou, and brings him to her castle, which she would turn him into a Doll, but Saber,Rin and Archer appears to rescue him, and Archer stay behind to fight while the three escape.
Ahh, i think you got confused, because Sora don't change tô different types of swords, he uses different types of weapons mid combat.
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Well, If they use too mana, sometimes they dissapear or tire they master out, so as long Nero don't use too mana she should be fine.
Why you changing your argument? You saying first that Shirou fights Berseker, which he never did, he just get smacked down by him, and now you saiying that Shirou is High 6-C, i thing i never argue against It. Like, yeah he is High 6-C, don't change the fight he can't fight Servants normally.
When did she ever done that?
In that fight, the swadow are pinning down Berseker so he couldn't move, so Alter as able defeat him. Berseker as having his movement halted, and Alter could move to strikes.
Shirou have Archer arm, which increase his Power, and Alter as holding back.
She don't scale to skill to Nameless.
Give a example of her doing so, pls.
Like when he ever done that? He just spams swords at you, when did he ever uses they individual powers togheter?
That's not his argument, what?
When did Nero ever fights Lancelot?
What?
That don't change anything for his argument, that Sora powers don't comes from his Soul, so Nero can't copy.
Cool i Will, this argument confuses me anyway.
Which she don't have Infinite layered hax.
But you also never posted evidence proving that you right, you just claiming stuff, not actually proving that is true.
Nero is not smarter than a supercomputer, so lmao.
NFL, yeah.
Sora have reasons, you just ignore them.
He cut of his arm and blocks his hits only while wielding caliburn,which is what he scales to.
In the bad end.where we can choose to use the caladbolg.
Yeah no, the vn explicitly,says she can cut berserker skin like nothing and that they were equally strong.
She literally did,it was stated she broke through his guard multiple times in the vn without her mana burst.
archer arm isn't an amp,considering kirei beat him in the same route,only nps are.
They both got equally stomped by nameless,unless you can prove me they are different skilled by actual feats.
I don't need to,her skill explicitly stated that,what she is capable of,you need to prove me that she cant.
Lancet vs gilgamesh in fate zero where halfway through literally every attack he launched was a homing weapon.
I just gave him a reason why they don't just a pick up a weapon.
She fights Lancelot who is explicitly stated to equally skilled to gawain
Yeah why do you think there is no ap stomp past tier 2 that's why.
It can come from literally anywhere and nero can still copy it.
She does,i already addressed that.
Thats because I am sick and tired of repeating the same thing again and again.anything i said i have addressed,I have already given an answer in this very thread
She can literally mimic suzuka gozen skill which would make her smarter than a alien supercomputer that can calculate all possible futures and she has reality marble-like are and magic circuits each of which is superior to futuristic suepercomputer
The literal description fo her skill says she can learn to ride a plane,you know something a roman emperor should have no idea what a plane is.
No he doesn't nothing you have stated,that is.
I am not that interested in the match itself, but I am interested in the hax layers for the Nasuverse characters, considering that even the supporters themselves can't decide where they scale. I continously see claims of them scaling to infinite layers, but I have never seen an accepted revision about that, and even in that same post you linked Regidian said that they scale to that because of an infinite amount of gods with Authorities, but later didn't provide a link to the revision in which such thing was accepted.
Ok, he still din't fight Berseker.
Which bad end?
You gonna ignore the fact that the Shadow as holding Berseker in place, so he couldn't move, making Alter chances of hitting way more likely?
Kirei, who also High 6-C, and Shirou, who as injured and his mind as broking down.
She did trought, she don't use mana bust one moment on they fight. But you keep ignoring my arguments
Why?
Huh? You claim that Nero scale to Nameless in skill, then say she gets stomped by him in skill?
I saying when did she ever gain skill mid combat, you need to prove that she does do It.
Gonna ignore this, since is not relevant.
Which he never asked why.
When?
No, i asking what you talking about with the Amp stuff.
NFL
She does not, i already adressed that.
But i asking for evidence, you never put evidence that Nero can Neg High-Godly story imortality, just the concept and information.
She can't, Trichiliocosm is a Noble Phantasm, Nero can't copy NP.
Never mind that don't really mean much about Nero intelect.
That's zero mention about being superior to a futurístic computer, gonna have to provide some evidence.
Cool, still NFL to say she can copy Sora skill, which she never shown to.
He does, Sora keyblade powers is different from Servant skill, so saying she can copy would need more proof, since she never shown to copy something sumiliar to Sora skillset.
That isn't the point,the point is shirou only scale to servants with nps.
This one
They are equally strong
Actually she can,you have zero proof why she can't
Kirei only gets high 6-c with amps which he didn't have in the fight.
BruhShe did trought, she don't use mana bust one moment on they fight. But you keep ignoring my arguments
Because the value comes from base gawain,someone who is on par with karna and would practically stomp any normal servant,saber is on par with gawain and saber alter is above both of them and shirou scales to them in base strength,alter is stronger than shirou with mana burst.
I meant gawain,not nameless both of whom got stomped by gawain
The skill description says she would figure out stuff instantly.
Actually it is,can Sora dodge danmaku which all have homing on them?
And why does it matter to you that I said that to him.
I meant gawain who is equally skilled as Lancelot.
You didn't,if you did then give me th post number.
You said history,so not really sure where the story immortality part came from.
Trichiliocosm is also a skill,hence nero can copy it.
It kinda doesn't matter as nero can already mimic trichiliocosm,but case files mentions that magic circuits of luvia quality can surpass supercomputers.
Ok, your arguments are pretty bad, so i don't exactly want to do It anyway.
Because of the Numeral of the Saint skill, which increase his power by three times, making him stronger than then, is not matter of only skill.
Why? If you talking about Tsubame gaeshi and Gae Bolg thing, even trought Saber artoria deal with both, that would't scale to Nero.
I din't exactly ask If the skill is intantly trought...
Nero don't have Danmaku, so not really relevant, no.
Because i debunking you arguments.
So going back to your first post, you said that Lancelot can fight Gawain with chopsticks, and Nero can copy Lancelot skills, is that correct?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/nero-...ot, and i pretty sure Nero is not one of them.
Wow, very mature of you
Is not, no.
lmao, ignoring that she can't, i really doubt that she would It, and would be effective.
Does It now? Because Lívia and Nero are not really comparable, and that still would't give Nero more inteligence than Sora.
I never said that.
From the page for Power Mimicry.
You do, in fact that's why some chinamen were limited from just claiming some spots in the top 10 strongests lists, layers in themselves are by definition high tiered hax, as much CRTs for Universal Energy Systems are the standard nowadays too.
A verse can claim whatever, but what's skill or just an ability for our purposes is different, the current standards go against that being combat skill to begin with.
Again, this is an outlier incarnate, and so it can't be used.
Again, the issue isn't only Nero "copying" the experience, but also having the means to replicate it, for example, knowning all martial arts is irrelevant if the character in question doesn't have the physiology intended for that. I've already gone over how the Power Mimicry is simply too lacking to compensate, even knowning how Sora swings the Keyblade would barely matter as his fighting style also relies on expanding its range with sharp light, let alone teleporting it around for multiple purposes.
I mean, ultimately arguments rely on an opinion, otherwise we'd all be on an agreement to begin with. If it wasn't an outlier she'd just be Immeasurable, which'd also defeat the point of that being notable as well.
That's fair and all, but until then there's no CRT to back up your claims on layers either, you need a CRT for those as said before.
Citations please? I recall on Dante's case this sort of stuff is just ignored, for instance.
Absorption is a quite varied power in general, namely on it being like Power Nullification and it not inherently covering any ability whatsoever, so I'll ask for more details on this resistance.
Nero doesn't have any hax
She does, like the basic servant stuff
Yes, he carries tons of them
What you need to prove is that layers works,not the amount of layers.considering stuff like bleach soul hax and othe hax without number of layers exists.
Again that's a random blog,that hasn't been accepted so yeah,here's a actual crt of someone cutting concepts with chopsticks and dodging supersonic blows while being human level,which was made by mods and accepted by two other moderators.
vsbattles.fandom.com
It ain't,its a feat.kratos can block infinite speed while being ftl.
She also replicates the required physiology too,she can replicate divinity which is based on the spiritual core and can only be given by being a demigods hell her skill acknowledges this
Because blocking a single immeasurable hit doesnt make you immeasurable speed.
No there isn't point me a single crt whose main purpose is to name the number of layer in the last year.
Some random guy ignoring this,doens't mean anything,mods have accepted as in the rezero crt.
She can resist absorbing biological, spiritual core which contain concepts and information and all types of energy and magic.
On the contrary, the amount of layers is naturally a big thing, in fact that's what a good chunk of this match boils down to. Something without a confirmed number of layers by definition is baseline (aka, a single layer above non-layered hax), so that does no favors.
It's currently accepted by multiple mods, look at the comments, it was written by a former VSBW mod too even.Again that's a random blog,that hasn't been accepted so yeah,here's a actual crt of someone cutting concepts with chopsticks and dodging supersonic blows while being human level,which was made by mods and accepted by two other moderators.
Re:Zero: Warriors and The Flow Method
Something something aim dodging, and Kratos can amp to Infinite even in the non-infinite key looking at the profile
NLF lmao, this has no feats on copying something with the same attributes and characteristics as Sora's stuff as said multiple times before.
Depends on context, if she merely fought someone immeasurable in general without further context I'd have to question this, for example.
This.
Azontr has been treated as a reliable evaluator when it comes to skill stuff, not even the mods have particularly objected on Azontr's regard. I've also already gone on your ReZero claim overall being misleading and in reality just being a skill scaling chain than specifically only relying on using a mere power as a inherently impressive skill thing to scale someone above the other.
"All types of energy and magic" is a blatant NLF.
if I know that my opponent is gonna a try a particular move and I have already covered that move,then it kinda doens't matter whether he attacks at ftl or immeasurable speed,the block has already done.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you claim that the scaling chain of character is like this:
Soul Manipulation isn't listed anywhere on Sora's profile including the Resistances. It's also not listed on the Keyblade and Heart pages which is kinda weird since Aqua has Soul Manipulation listed among her Resistances with a justification that should scale to Sora. He does have a Resistance for getting his soul erased from existence though.
Reid using chopsticks to cut concepts is still a ability, not combat skill. Someone try to translate to combat ability in another, and people just shot down that ability very easily.
I have been searching for the scan but no luck,so yeah
nero should have 32 layers just based on the fact that there is 31 divine spirits with divine core ,and dozens more if we add every god from the series,as bb authority is stated to superior to every god's authority on the planet
The feat doesn't even come from her,its from servnat artoria who dodged Sasaki immeasurable speed blow,nero can mimic instincts required for such a feat.
What she has isn't power mimicry,but reactive evolution,her ability allows her to replicate anything she wants to based on her own ability.
Like I said, even if a character of a lower tier predicted the enemies attack, the enemy could simply do a different attack, and they would simply be too fast for someone to react to. Think of it like a instant movement- In literally 0 seconds, the enemy is going to attack. Even if you block their attack by predicting where it will be well beforehand, in 0 seconds they have already moved to use a different move that bypasses your guard. Since you are finite in speed, you cannot move in 0 seconds, ergo you cannot react.
Uh... it seems 30ish layers wasn't currently accepted by the staff to begin with either as said before. Please cite a CRT where that got accepted otherwise.
Well, you kinda need to give a reason so i can count, is for the advantages i put above?
Yes for reasons above
ooookay counted.
I kinda already respond to you.
Why?
