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In the two games Pashupata is shown, both feature the same storm. Thus, it is not contradicted. By this logic, the feat applies.RegisNex1232 said:
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(Nasuverse Upgrade) High 6-A rating for Characters with A+ (and above) Noble Phantasms?
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It does not need to be explicitly mentioned in the story. If the story contradicts it in some way, like characters needing destruction of that caliber and not being able to have it, explicitly stating that it's not destructive, far weaker characters being considered impressive, then sure, throw it out. If it's just not addressed, that doesn't mean that you can't use stuff that happens in the game.
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It's not a false-equivalence. The calc is valid as it is simply going by what we see.
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Not shown in the story, and attack animations aren't the story.
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You kind of do?
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Dude write it all in one post.
They are part of the game and depict the NP. They count when talking about it.
They are part of the game and depict the NP. They count when talking about it.
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No, you dont need to destroy something to have ap, how do you think freezing and storm calcs exist?
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or KE calcs. Moving a planet requires immense AP but you won't destroy it.
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And they aren't described in the description, so they are for all intents and purposes fancy visuals. You have yet to show why we should assume that the visuals are accurate.
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Downgrade Gae Bolg.RegisNex1232 said:
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Downgrade all of fiction that doesn't give ratings in Joules to attacks. Author Intent and text overwrites visuals always.
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Eh, I think its also Arjuna's strength feat. Pashupata is an Astra, it can be invoked by Arrow or... anything really. It just happens that Arjuna invoked it in the form of glowing ball of doom.JBennett said:
And Arjuna flicked the Astra to the sky. changing the climate in the process.
The profile itself even admits that its Anti-'Unit', not truly Anti-Unit. because 'Unit' in there is kinda inaccurate for what it actually does. because it also passes judgement on people in very wide range, Anti-'Unit' means it judges targets individually. not because it could only affect one person.
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Making idiotic comparisons doesn't discredit my argument, just the fact that you know what you're discussing.
Still no proof beyond attack animations which aren't supported by anything.
Still no proof beyond attack animations which aren't supported by anything.
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who is the fate expert on this website?
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It's labelled Anti-Unit as it works on each person one by one, nothing more, nothing less.
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What more do you want? xD The author literally saying "**** yeah, Arjuna destroys continents, boi!"?JBennett said:
I honestly cannot understand what is the problem here. The AP it's just a side effect of the activation, shown as such across two games. Some demons needed the hax aspect to be destroyed? Occam's Razor, they can simply tank the side effect. Why should a description about the main effect 100% needs to mention the side effect?
Gae Bolg's doesn't mention the spear travelling at mach 200+, and why should it when they can just show us? It's the same here.
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Reppuzan and Promestein are the best.
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Also, you can be both AP and Hax. What is the problem?
You are letting your personal biases and preconceptions cloud your judgment.
You are letting your personal biases and preconceptions cloud your judgment.
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The hax aspect, you know, the main effect, work one by one.RegisNex1232 said:
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@Matthew should we ask prom his opinion then? Reppuzan has already commented here so yeah.
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Again, can be something =/= is something without sufficient proof which you don't have here. And between the description and the animation the description is more reliable as it tells us what the NP does without being misleading.
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Prom is a girl.
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Ever is also knowledgeable on the verse and he's against the downgrade as well and for using the animations
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@JBennett Also, just to point out that you can make very overkill Anti-Unit NP out of anything. Meltlilith's Sarasvati Authority for example, described to be able to wash away anything that flows. That including civilization, won't that make Sarasvati's Authority Anti-World? maybe, but Meltlilith managed to turn it into highly-specialized Anti-Unit attack capable of stealing EXP from her opponents.
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Everlasting's been against this, I used many arguments he gave me.
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Ever isn't here and you don't really have an argument so why post? Kami also knows Fate and is against the calc.
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Anyway, I've stated my opinion and argued my stance enough, I feel. Still am with Matt here. Will unfollow now. Have a good night, everyone!
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Basically the people against the downgrade outnumber the ones in favor (Pretty much just Regis being very vocal) and have more knowledgeable people.
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This. Nothing discredits it. A lack of a statement isn't enough.Wokistan said:
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They absolutely do, as otherwise we get people like Matt thinking that Kiara grows in size or Ishtar destroys planets, despite being contradictory with their NP descriptions.
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Can you please stop trying to ridicule / discredit me, often by making strawmans of what I say? It's gotten tiring. I keep asking you to not do this.
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I thought that the majority didn't matter. Anyway, Repp and Ramesses support me so not exactly alone here.
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Yes, as she doesn't outgrow the Servants and her NP is a mental, not physical attack.
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Repp is mainly neutral.
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Nope, there's even statements that say that she grows that big because she's similar to Saver in nature. Also confirmation that her attack is physical.
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Nope, there's even statements that say that she grows that big because she's similar to Saver in nature. Also confirmation that her attack is physical.
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