Root changes and possible High 1-A upgrade

[DigiAnymore]

damn, I clearly disagree only for reasons that I think are lacking in fulfilling the tier requirements.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Theres still the fact that everything in the nasuverse is stated to have an infinite stream that traces back to the root, and with the idea that concepts are layered in the nasuverse, i think you get the main point.

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Theres still the fact that everything in the nasuverse is stated to have an infinite stream that traces back to the root, and with the idea that concepts are layered in the nasuverse, i think you get the main point.

It makes no sense to have a layered infinite stream, thats.. not infinite.

 

[Qawsedf234]

It makes no sense to have a layered infinite stream, thats.. not infinite.

Something streaming back to the root and something relying on something else to exist does not mean that there are an infinite amount of recursive dimensions and that the Root on it's own is 1-A.

 

[Sniper670]

Why is the thread not closed?

He's literally repeating the exact same thing.

Did everyone forget the definition of Insanity?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Something streaming back to the root and something relying on something else to exist does not mean that there are an infinite amount of recursive dimensions and that the Root on it's own is 1-A.

Concepts are confirmed to have layers,which i established. Everything in the nasuverse is stated to have this thread that links them back to the root, which also alligns with a statement

So much has been added and so much to take away, so much that we cant reach the origin of all ofthese skills and ancestry that we like to label causality,and other people like to call fate.

( this is already in a scan i posted earlier in the thread, just look back

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

The root is already confirmed to grow and expand infinitely, this was basically toukos goal, she said the human species was so diverse, that it was impossible to reach the root

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

It makes no sense for the root not to be stacking infinities if it has grown to be inaccessible to humans overtime
If it was the same level of infinity, it would be at the same level of accessibility.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Concepts are confirmed to have layers

You're confusing "A exists so therefore a needs to exist" and "A exists therefore an infinite amount of recursive a exists". The concepts being Type 2 isn't a 1-A justification.

which also alligns with a statement

That statement isn't a 1-A statement either.

If it was the same level of infinity, it would be at the same level of accessibility.

I can be a higher infinity without being 1-A or Low 1-A.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

You're confusing "A exists so therefore a needs to exist" and "A exists therefore an infinite amount of recursive a exists". The concepts being Type 2 isn't a 1-A justification.




That statement isn't a 1-A statement either.


I can be a higher infinity without being 1-A or Low 1-A.

You're missing the point, im saying theres an infinite amount of these high infinities, since the root has existed for more than an infinite amount of time ( it created time after all), and human history, which is 300,000 years old, made the root grow enough to ascend by 1 level of infinity, i think you know where im going with this one.
Infinite levels = H1-B
However there are primordial concepts, which stand above those infinite levels.

 

[Tarang123]

It makes no sense to have a layered infinite stream, thats.. not infinite.

Where does it even say it's layered? As well as that, why would "layered" automatically lead to a rating that isn't just like High 3A lol?

 

[Tarang123]

The root is already confirmed to grow and expand infinitely, this was basically toukos goal, she said the human species was so diverse, that it was impossible to reach the root

It growing infinitely implies that it's bound to size which is a bit strange given its apophasis. Or are you just talking about the false form you're arguing for

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

It growing infinitely implies that it's bound to size which is a bit strange given its apophasis. Or are you just talking about the false form you're arguing for

The false form

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Where does it even say it's layered? As well as that, why would "layered" automatically lead to a rating that isn't just like High 3A lol?

 

[Tarang123]

What does it mean by "levels higher than the normal concept of death"? On its own, this, assuming that it's some infinitely layered "thing" of concepts, would still just be High 3A

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

What does it mean by "levels higher than the normal concept of death"? On its own, this, assuming that it's some infinitely layered "thing" of concepts, would still just be High 3A

dimensions are a concept in the nasuverse, the root captures everything in the nasuverse as a concept

 

[DaReaperMan]

The dimensions go up to 6-D in this case, so Root would be in the same boat as TOGs

 

[Tarang123]

dimensions are a concept in the nasuverse, the root captures everything in the nasuverse as a concept

Yeah, that didn't really answer my question. It saying that concepts can be on "a higher level" doesn't imply qualitative superiority, even dimensions are part of a singular concept

 

[Tarang123]

The dimensions go up to 6-D in this case, so Root would be in the same boat as TOGs

Eh, the Root being 1A off the idea of being above the concept of dimensions could work

 

[DaReaperMan]

Eh, the Root being 1A off the idea of being above the concept of dimensions could work

But how do you know there's more dimensions then 7 or 9?

 

[Tarang123]

But how do you know there's more dimensions then 7 or 9?

That doesn't particularly matter according to our current standards. It's why verses like MegaTen are 1A despite only having like 6 dimensions or something.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Their being higher levels of death doesn't mean there's infinite higher levels of death or infinite higher levels of other concepts. It just means there are higher levels of death.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

But how do you know there's more dimensions then 7 or 9?

Touko states that the large amount of information due to diversity inside of the human race, has caused the root to become inaccessible for humans.
Repeat that for an infinite amount of time, and....

 

[DaReaperMan]

Touko states that the large amount of information due to diversity inside of the human race, has caused the root to become inaccessible for humans.
Repeat that for an infinite amount of time, and....

Which is like, what, 9-D max? Infinite AP 9-D, but 9-D nonetheless. It's more then likely 8-D though.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Which is like, what, 9-D max? Infinite AP 9-D, but 9-D nonetheless. It's more then likely 8-D though.

you're missing the point. Quite literally anyhting in the nasuverse is a concept, due to the nature of the root ( even individual people are concepts.)
This also applies to dimensions

 

[DaReaperMan]

you're missing the point. Quite literally anyhting in the nasuverse is a concept, due to the nature of the root ( even individual people are concepts.)
This also applies to dimensions

Of which there are 6 to 9.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Of which there are 6 to 9.

Not sure on the Outer Gods as IIRC there isn’t much on them compared to you know the rest of the Nasuverse, but that is for a different topic.

In any case, the higher dimensional statement I recall is mostly the Avalon (6D) one and there may been a few others that I may overlook.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Of which there are 6 to 9.

if theres an infinite amount of higher infinities, it doesnt matter how much dimensions are in the tiny sub-universes to begin with.

 

[Iiliminal]

Not sure on the Outer Gods as IIRC there isn’t much on them compared to you know the rest of the Nasuverse, but that is for a different topic.

In any case, the higher dimensional statement I recall is mostly the Avalon (6D) and there may been a few others that I may overlook.

6d avalon thing, 8d barrier moon cell, and 9d outer gods

 

[HammerStrikes219]

6d avalon thing, 8d barrier moon cell, and 9d outer gods

I was thinking of the Outer Gods in general, but anyway, don’t remember the one for Rayshifting as technically I don’t remember the exact dimensional thing we set for that one so that one is a ween bit iffy, but alright

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

6d avalon thing, 8d barrier moon cell, and 9d outer gods

I have scans upgrading some of these but that can wait until this thread finishes

 

[DaReaperMan]

if theres an infinite amount of higher infinities, it doesnt matter how much dimensions are in the tiny sub-universes to begin with.

However if there are only 9 dimensions in each one, just cause there's an infinite amount of them that'd only make you 10-D.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

However if there are only 9 dimensions in each one, just cause there's an infinite amount of them that'd only make you 10-D.

Yeah which wasn’t stated at all and is technically extrapolate from the scans being used.

Also now that is out of the way, I do think this thread should been closed as this is like the third or fourth attempt to do High 1A when we better off waiting for any actual statement than have it taking out of context.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This thread got derailed, I would say make a new one but then again the premise got rejected 3/4 (?) times already so dunno about making a new one.

Also since Chasen will not be making a thread to downgrade the verse you guys should prepare

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

However if there are only 9 dimensions in each one, just cause there's an infinite amount of them that'd only make you 10-D.

umineko doesnt really mention dimensions in its cosmology either, its a similar case here, thats like calling umineko only 4-d because thats the highest dimension thats mentioned.
Also you're forgetting the fact that each layer is a higher infinity than the last one,

 

[Tarang123]

umineko doesnt really mention dimensions in its cosmology either, its a similar case here, thats like calling umineko only 4-d because thats the highest dimension thats mentioned.
Also you're forgetting the fact that each layer is a higher infinity than the last one,

Uh, yes it does? And Umineko is 1A because it's beyond the framework of a High 1B hierarchy. It's actually High 1B due to an existing hierarchy of R>F layers. This is a horrible counter.

Also, none of your scans hint that they're higher infinities

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Uh, yes it does? And Umineko is 1A because it's beyond the framework of a High 1B hierarchy. It's actually High 1B due to an existing hierarchy of R>F layers. This is a horrible counter.

Also, none of your scans hint that they're higher infinities

So much has been added, and so much to take away, so much that we cant reach the origin

if you read you can find it, also this is currently accepted on the roots page on the vsbw

There is the Taiji, which is a nonduality state of oneness that contains and transcends previous states, thus it cannot be defined as: A, B, simultaneously A and B, neither A nor B.

 

[Tarang123]

if you read you can find it, also this is currently accepted on the roots page on the vsbw

Not to the same degree. Umineko's High 1B stuff is due to a ladder/hierarchy of losing existential restrictions. Featherine, as a creator, lacks any and all restrictions. Hence 1A. This isn't the same as some character being above duality over a near-nonexistent hierarchy when it's also implied that they're bound to the same dimensionality that they supposedly transcend

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Not to the same degree. Umineko's High 1B stuff is due to a ladder/hierarchy of losing existential restrictions. Featherine, as a creator, lacks any and all restrictions. Hence 1A. This isn't the same as some character being above duality over a near-nonexistent hierarchy when it's also implied that they're bound to the same dimensionality that they supposedly transcend

Uminekos H1-b is literally due to an infinite hierarchy, each step having an r>f over the last. same scenario here.
also unlike uminekos, there's a "primordial" concept at the top, making it a l1-a hierarchy.