(Nasuverse Upgrade) High 6-A rating for Characters with A+ (and above) Noble Phantasms?

[RegisNex1232]

Can you please stop trying to ridicule / discredit me, often by making strawmans of what I say? It's gotten tiring. I keep asking you to not do this.

You have been repeatedly shown to be wrong and so I don't understand why highlighting that your words should not be considered reliable is bad.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Nope, there's even statements that say that she grows that big because she's similar to Saver in nature. Also confirmation that her attack is physical.

Still lying.

 

[Wokistan]

That is not really for this thread, but got a statement? I feel like if you want to discredit the animations as AP it's best for you to just wait and collect your stuff that would point to nasuverse generally treating animatins as surpurfluous or whatever you wanted to do and post it all at once. Sporadic arguing on threads like these without the full context won't go well for you, because your argument hinges on this verse doing things differently from all the others and as such you can't get the full scope of that with regards to one attack. Look at the I/O revisions, which were largely stalled due to people jumping the gun and not just waiting for everything at once.

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

Ever is also knowledgeable on the verse and he's against the downgrade as well and for using the animations

Wait wait. downgrade? has Arjuna been upgraded then? and downgraded again? Man, I must've been late to the party.

 

[Wokistan]

Anyways, I've gotta go to sleep and I don't really care that much about this and really just saw it from recent wiki activity, so have fun

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm not lying, please stop with this, Regis.

 

[RegisNex1232]

I have stayed on topic and just referred to such other examples as evidence, which Matthew is willingly ignoring and lying to discredit my argument.

Overall there's no proof at all regarding the calc, so using it would be wrong as it would be based off an unsupported assumption.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I have provided examples myself and explained my point exhaustively, Regis.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Matthew makes sense here.

I also don't like the insults thrown around in this thread.

That said, by my experience Ramesses and Qliphoth know a lot about the Nasuverse, so maybe we should ask them for input as well?

 

[Muhammedmco]

Just to all of you, i have completed the Fate series and Melty Blood, and i will be making a huge revision thread that would bump them up by a high bargain.

Expect it sooner or later.

 

[RegisNex1232]

You haven't. You have kept insisting that we use the animations without providing any evidence that they should be considered valid. In fact, you have not supplied any information for your points, while I have at least given a translation and a video.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Thank you for your support, Ant.

 

[JBennett]

Just to all of you, i have completed the Fate series and Melty Blood, and i will be making a huge revision thread that would bump them up by a high bargain.
Expect it sooner or later.

Is that so, how intriguing.

 

[RegisNex1232]

How does repeating unproven statements make sense, Ant? Or is this just ignoring what I said above?

Ramesses and Repp already are against the calc and like me want to wait for further materials to be released.

 

[Muhammedmco]

I just hope people won't outright say that it's flase, for i have brought solid proofs about it.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as Matthew said, we recurrently ignore author intentions when they contradict what is explicitly shown or explained in-story.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm fine with waiting, I'm not fine with downgrading based on Regis' premises.

 

[JBennett]

The thing about that Ant is that this isn't a comment or answer from the Author, but an actual in game text about the mechanics of the attack in question, so it's tough to dissmis it when it's part of the main source.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Even when what is shown is not at all what you are meant to understand? Especially when the Nasuverse relies very heavily on written materials as evidence for various stats and showings. Please reread my arguments as to why discarding author materials isn't possibile when they are the ones who provide all the facts.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Except that this would have been an upgrade, not downgrade. I'm against any current upgrades based off flimsy reasoning, then revising later when relevant materials come out.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Nasuverse is visual. Half of it is Visual Novels and the other half is games. And almost all of it got anime adaptations, mangas, etc.

Both are valid usages. The text never contradicts the visuals. Lack of direct description =/= contradictory description.

You can't argue through omission.

 

[Muhammedmco]

Except that this would have been an upgrade, not downgrade. I'm against any current upgrades based off flimsy reasoning, then revising later when relevant materials come out.

I would suggest waiting for outside opinions from experts, though. As well as my revision thread that would far exceed High 6-A+.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that waiting for more information, letting the profiles remain as they are in the meantime, and closing this thread might be the best option here.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Yet the majority of the content is written, not visually shown. You aren't shown how Solomon/KH is a Grand, you are told through the story.


Not necessarily. The text never supports the visuals either. Lack of direct description =/= valid visuals.

You can't argue without evidence either.

 

[RegisNex1232]

@Ant go ahead, I'm fine with waiting for more proof.

 

[Antvasima]

@Matthew

Would you be fine with this?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Please close this.