Nasuverse Upgrade: High 1-A for Swirl of The Root

[Zencha9]

Pretty much have the same opinion as crim

 

[1Nairove]

He mentioned how r>f also helps non Euclidean geometry is not the only basis other supporting evidences like Roa's soul being 1-A and the root via negative theology would be completely unreachable from anything in the verse would still be supporting evidence to be high 1-A, the explanation of the infinities being distinct were also there not just from non Euclidean geometry but from r>f too people most of the evidence has been ignored and watered down to a lower level interpretation to make it look bad on several occasions "the OP is saying stacking infinities to infinity" which is not true and "extrapolating on that only based on a non Euclidean geometry" which is also not true

 

[Georredannea15]

alephs dont have to be directly stated, as long as theres a certain level of inaccessible superiority/transcendence, it applies the same.

Why is everyone now misinterpreting the transcendence of "inaccessibility"? Just as there is an inaccessible transcendence between 1-A and H1-A, there is also an inaccessible transcendence between Aleph 1 and Aleph 2. For me, it's still not enough.

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

there is also an inaccessible transcendence between Aleph 1 and Aleph 2. For me, it's still not enough.

I already told you there's no inaccessible transcendence between Aleph 1 and 2 it doesn't exist nowhere in set theory does it endorse the idea of Aleph 1 and 2 having an inaccessible transcendence it's just a higher infinity because powersetting can be used to reach the next nonetheless by definition making not an inaccessible gap

 

[AizenSosuke]

Agrees + follwin the thread

 

[Grimm's_Fortitude]

I agree with the upgrade

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I have no idea what this thread is even about anymore, but nothing in that scan even remotely indicates High 1-A and no amount of extrapolation done can let the Root reach High 1-A from that.

Are we really still trying to make stuff high tiers off of random statements of non-euclidian geometry? Like, come on.

I thought you were trying something to make the root tier 0

guess tier 0 root will never happen

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I thought you were trying something to make the root tier 0

guess tier 0 root will never happen

?

Am I supposed to agree with every possible argument that may agree with my views now? And besides, I didn't even say anything about tier 0 in specific, I said it may eventually happen lol. It's, like, an absolute high end anyway, idk how confortable I even am with it.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

?

Am I supposed to agree with every possible argument that may agree with my views now? And besides, I didn't even say anything about tier 0 in specific, I said it may eventually happen lol. It's, like, an absolute high end anyway, idk how confortable I even am with it.

I hope it happens one day

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think about this?

Well this statement

"The concept of infinity is twinned with the concept of finite existence. It is this finite existence, this is end of all things that Shiki Ryougi observes with her arcane eyes, and the same end that she cuts to make entropy act quickly almost immediately. The prison she was contained in was made to be infinite, an inconceivable non-Euclidean space" - The Garden of Sinners [Empty Boundaries] Volume II (page 214]

Does not at all support this claim

Actual infinity is completed as a collection; the idea is further extrapolated by using the analogy of a non-Euclidean space which is still an infinite space but with limits because for any dimension X, it would be infinite, but the limit comes from the next dimension, which is a directly higher infinity.

So for 2 dimensions, it would be infinity^infinity in hyperbolic Geometry/non-Euclidean geometry and the idea is carried on to any dimension up to 1-A+ the arithmetic and principle stays the same all the way up to 1-A+, the limit of the infinity relative to the first dimension would be infinity|^infinity, it can't reach the second dimension which is a higher infinity

As you know, power setting one infinity to reach another is an arithmetic operation that carries on all the way up to 1-A+ as well, and power setting a set of natural numbers is 2^n or infinity^infinity, which is still similar arithmetic to the hyperbolic Geometry stacking of any dimension X takes 2 dimensions for now being infinity^infinity

Euclidean space is about plotting things out on a dimensional grid. Being non-Euclidean does not meaning being infinite or extra-dimensional, it just means you cannot plot them on a grid, which means nothing other than having your existence being strange.

There's nothing here for High 1-A. I'm with Crimson. R>F over Euclidean space also would not warrant a 1-A+ or a High 1-A rating.

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

Euclidean space is about plotting things out on a dimensional grid.

I'm not talking ab it in that sense im talking ab the gap in magnitude between Euclidean vector spaces

Being non-Euclidean does not meaning being infinite or extra-dimensional

If you actually read the OP the non Euclidean space in this case is already infinite

R>F over Euclidean space also would not warrant a 1-A+ or a High 1-A rating.

That's not what the OP suggests but then again if staff still interprets like that I won't argue any further

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not talking ab it in that sense im talking ab the gap in magnitude between Euclidean vector spaces

Euclidean space is just mapping things on a grid. A higher magnitude is just plotting more points onto an object, but that can't even get you to High 1-B, let alone High 1-A.

If you actually read the OP the non Euclidean space in this case is already infinite

Considering I quote the OP, yes I did read it.

Non-Euclidean space just means a space where you can't plot vectors. It being infinite or finite doesn't mean anything for a AP rating, since you can be non-Euclidean without being higher dimensional.

 

[Chasekilleen]

Non-Euclidean space just means a space where you can't plot vectors. It being infinite or finite doesn't mean anything for a AP rating, since you can be non-Euclidean without being higher dimensional.

Hi but this translation is incorrect. The Japanese copy that I own doesn't even state anything about Euclidean space.

Spoiler: 空の境界中 page 464

閉ざされた空間、マンションの壁と壁の間にもうけた異界の中で目を覚ました彼女は、その腕でありえない空間の、ありえない壁を斬ったのだ。
無限は、「　」ではない。無限を無限たらしめるには有限を定めなくてはいけないのだ。有限がなければ無限など存在しない。物事には果てがあるから、無限という事柄が観測される。両儀式は放りこまれた無限の中で、ありえない有限を視つけだして断ち切った。

だが無論、無限の中には有限などない。存在しないものは斬れないが故に、あの檻は脱出が不可能なのである。
しかし──有限がなければ、無限はないのだ。有限の壁が無かったにせよ有ったにせよ、両儀式の前にはそんな果てのない世界など意味をなさない。

有限が本当になければ、それは無限などではなく「 」であり。有限を内包しているのなら、式はそれを視つけだして断ち切ってしまう。
……絶対の筈の黒い穴は、この相手にだけはただの狭い暗室にすぎなかったのだと、魔術師は自身を恥じた。

Shiki woke up in another world, enclosed between the walls of the apartment. She cut through the impossible space of the impossible walls with a single swing.

Infinite is not Emptiness. In order for something to be infinite it must be defined as finite. If the concept of finite is not present then the concept of infinity would be absent. Since everything in the world are finite, therefore the concept of infinity can be observed.

Within the infinity of abyss where Ryougi Shiki was thrown into, she severed the impossibility of finite itself.
However, the concept of finite should not exist within infinity. Therefore it should be impossible to cut through something that doesn't exist right? Thus, escaping from that abyss should of been impossible.
But, if there is no such thing as the concept of finite then it would not infinity, but rather "Emptiness" itself.
Ashamed of himself (Araya Souren), the infinity of abyss which should of been absolute was nothing more than a narrow dark room to his opponent (Shiki).

 

[Tarang123]

Shiki woke up in an another wall that is enclosed between the walls of the apartment. With her arms she cut through the impossible space of the impossible walls.
Infinite is not Emptiness. In order for something to be infinite it must defined as finite. If the concept of finite is not present then, then infinite would like be absent. Because everything in the world are finite, therefore the concept of infinity can be observed. Within the infinity of abyss where Ryougi Shiki was thrown into, she found and severed the otherwise impossible finite itself.

What is it talking about when it refers to "impossible walls"?

 

[Tdjwo]

Hi but this translation is incorrect. The Japanese copy that I own doesn't even state anything about Euclidean space.

Spoiler: 空の境界中 page 464

Shiki woke up in an another world, enclosed between the walls of the apartment. With her arms she cut through the impossible space of the impossible walls.
Infinite is not Emptiness. In order for something to be infinite it must defined as finite. If the concept of finite is not present then, then infinite would like be absent. Because everything in the world are finite, therefore the concept of infinity can be observed. Within the infinity of abyss where Ryougi Shiki was thrown into, she found and severed the otherwise impossible finite itself.

However, the concept of finite should not exist within infinity. Therefore it should be impossible to cut something that doesn't exist right? Thus, escaping from that abyss should of been impossible.
But, if there is no such thing as the concept of finite then it would not infinity, but rather "Emptiness" itself.
Ashamed of himself (Araya Souren), the infinity of abyss which should of been absolute was nothing more than a narrow dark room to his opponent (Shiki).

Sorry blud. Your translation is total dogshit Jesus christ. What do you mean by Infinite is not Emptiness?

 

[Tarang123]

Sorry blud. Your translation is total dogshit Jesus christ. What do you mean by Infinite is not Emptiness?

Dude, don't try to criticize the Japanese of someone fluent in the language. You'll just make yourself look bad

 

[Tdjwo]

Dude, don't try to criticize the Japanese of someone fluent in the language. You'll just make yourself look bad

Firstly, I didn't know he was Japanese. Secondly, you really expect me to suddenly trust someone who has been trying to downgrade the verse several times unsuccessfully, all because he's Japanese? Wth?

 

[Tarang123]

Firstly, I didn't know he was Japanese. Secondly, you really expect me to suddenly trust someone who has been trying to downgrade the verse several times unsuccessfully, all because he's Japanese? Wth?

I'm not saying you have to trust everything he says, but he's pretty reliable when it comes to translation and he admits if and when he makes a mistake in translating something. This could be one of those cases though after taking a look at some of the stuff in the Japanese text he sent, I don't particularly see anything relating to Non-Euclidean spaces, unless that whole thing regarding impossible walls is supposed to mean that or something

 

[Chasekilleen]

Sorry blud. Your translation is total dogshit Jesus christ. What do you mean by Infinite is not Emptiness?

Didn't know you had English comprehension issues, 有限が本当になければ、それは無限などではなく「 」であり。I said If the concept of finite doesn't exist, then IT isn't infinity, it is emptiness.

無限は、「　」ではない。This is the statement where it says Infinity isn't Emptiness.

I'm not saying you have to trust everything he says, but he's pretty reliable when it comes to translation and he admits if and when he makes a mistake in translating something. This could be one of those cases though after taking a look at some of the stuff in the Japanese text he sent, I don't particularly see anything relating to Non-Euclidean spaces, unless that whole thing regarding impossible walls is supposed to mean that or something

I reverse searched that Eucliean statement from this website and the Japanese text that's corresponding to the English translation doesn't match up whatsoever, it's EITHER grossly mistranslated or they inserted the wrong Japanese text

Spoiler: Wiki site

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

" " lacking/being above "infinite" and "finite" also contextually makes sense when you consider apophasis which is a main point of " ".

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Your translation is total dogshit Jesus christ

Cool it. This was completely unnecessary.

 

[Tdjwo]

Cool it. This was completely unnecessary.

My bad.

 

[Tdjwo]

Didn't know you had English comprehension issues, 有限が本当になければ、それは無限などではなく「 」であり。I said If the concept of finite doesn't exist, then IT isn't infinity, it is emptiness.

無限は、「　」ではない。This is the statement where it says Infinity isn't Emptiness.


I reverse searched that Eucliean statement from this website and the Japanese text that's corresponding to the English translation doesn't match up whatsoever, it's EITHER grossly mistranslated or they inserted the wrong Japanese text

Spoiler: Wiki site

Your interpretation still makes no sense. What is infinite of abyss? What are impossible walls?What are impossible space? What do you mean by "If the concept of finite is not present then, then infinite would like be absent."

The translation is filled with confusing terms and wrong past/present tenses. Doesn't really make sense for a good translation.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Dude, don't try to criticize the Japanese of someone fluent in the language. You'll just make yourself look bad

ah he is japanese i'm happy

because i'm chinese and i believe japanese and chinese people should be friends.


Sorry for being off-topic, i just want to make some japanese friends here. (i actually though believe i should like people regardless of their race)

Sorry blud. Your translation is total dogshit Jesus christ. What do you mean by Infinite is not Emptiness?

okay now that's just being a jerk Tdjwo

 

[Tdjwo]

okay now that's just being a jerk Tdjwo

I said I'm sorry

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I said I'm sorry

apology accepted

i know deep down your a good man tdjwo.

 

[Tarang123]

Your interpretation still makes no sense. What is infinite of abyss? What are impossible walls?What are impossible space? What do you mean by "If the concept of finite is not present then, then infinite would like be absent."

The infinite abyss is referring to Root, as it uses the same symbol.

 

[Tdjwo]

Any

ah he is japanese i'm happy

because i'm chinese and i believe japanese and chinese people should be friends.


Sorry for being off-topic, i just want to make some japanese friends here. (i actually though believe i should like people regardless of their race)

Bruh my gf is half Chinese-half Japanese. Don't count me out

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Any

Bruh my gf is half Chinese-half Japanese. Don't count me out

i apologize if i'm being offensive for simply wanting to be friends with someone because of their race

Seriously? For real?

The infinite abyss is referring to Root, as it uses the same symbol.

mind telling me more on this despite the fact that i won't be able to understand it at all?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Artorimachi_Meteoraft take the conversation about friendship to his wall.

 

[Tdjwo]

i apologize if i'm being offensive for simply wanting to be friends with someone because of their race

Seriously? For real?

Yes

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

@Artorimachi_Meteoraft take the conversation about friendship to his wall.

i will thanks for reminding me

your doing a great job

 

[Tdjwo]

Ok let's stop derailing.

 

[Tarang123]

mind telling me more on this despite the fact that i won't be able to understand it at all?

It's saying that infinity and the root aren't the same thing. He translated it as emptiness because the symbol doesn't particularly mean much iirc. It's just quotes. This just goes back to the Root's apophatic nature

 

[Qawsedf234]

Hi but this translation is incorrect. The Japanese copy that I own doesn't even state anything about Euclidean space.

So there's even less to this CRT than there was before.

Thanks for the translation

 

[Tdjwo]

Can you post the screenshot of the Japanese scan you own? The actual screenshot.

 

[Tdjwo]

Oh nvm. I found it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

To then mistramslate it and use it then

I'm onto you

 

[Udlmaster]

Hi but this translation is incorrect. The Japanese copy that I own doesn't even state anything about Euclidean space.

Damn, it really do be like that, huh?

 

[Chasekilleen]

If the concept of finite is not present then, then infinite would like be absent."

It makes perfect sense dude. The BestMGQScaler has already interpreted the text with no issues.

「」lacking/being above "infinite" and "finite" also contextually makes sense when you consider apophasis which is a main point of 「」.

it makes sense
it's superior to notions of infinity and finite
infinity can only exists when there's finite
thats what the translation says too
it contextually makes sense

So there's even less to this CRT than there was before.

I linked a wiki website that I reverse searched about the Euclidean space statement and the Japanese text that corresponded to the Euclidean space was the raw text I provided. Unless they inserted the incorrect Japanese text in that particular line, it doesn't even say Euclidean space, it says what I provided. And it sounds incredibly flowery.