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It seems like last td3 nasu crt was a little confusing for non nasu supporters because of many religion/philosophy concepts so i try to explaine how verse treated them (at least taoism one).
Yin Yang are 0,1.
However both of them contain dot of opposite force inside (0 contain dot of 1, 1 contain dot of 0)
So Yin treated as 0, 0+1 and Yang 1, 1+0, (yes 0+1 and 1+0 are different since they still separate and opposite to each other).
Now about Taiji.
Taiji is combine Yin and Yang.
However it's also it's own concept that don't follow none of previous states (also here mention "Ryougi" this should be yin and yang)
To futher explain this part here taiji definition from Wiki
And "Primordial Chaos" compared to Wuji but that's in "Wuji Part"
Here also Shiki
And Hounouden Rokujyuyonshou (奉納殿六十四層, The 64 Layers of the Hounou Temple).
That have similarities with taiji I Ching definition.
Also here mention "taijutu" so i also mention this one.
This part would be a little harder since there no straightforward mention about wuji but i try explain as easy as it possible
"primordial chaos"/hundum.
Now after we make that INS=Taiji "primordial chaos" can be familiar with the Concept of Wuji or Hundum.
Since Hundum explained as somehing opposite so probably neitheir yin nor yang and opposite to taiji yet also contain everything so maybe also yin,yang. ying and yang.
Also Root System based on Wuji.
However while hundum primordial chaos and imaginary number space being opposistion to each other while this Wuji free from that and superior state.
So yin,yang both yin(that both yin and dot of yang) and yang(that both yang and dot of yin) nethier of this and precede and contain binary opposition(INS and Hundum) that govern them.
Yet even all of that just definition and root apophatic (indescribable) to all this.
So it contain even ideas of this containing everything including logical system so all of this yet indescribable to all this so another state or states.
Summary:
Yin=0 and 0+1.
Yang=1 and 1+0.
"Ryougi"=Both Yin and Yang.
Taiji=All of this and it's own concept that precede them. INS have same description but if no one agree it can be the oneness that precede duality so 0, 1, 0+1, 1+0 the 1 that above all this
Primordial Chaos=Also contain all of them (aside from maybe taiji) yet also opposite to taiji. if INS not taiji and chaos not wuji then It's concept that opposite to Ins oneness
Wuji(Root)=All of this and Nothing of this.
「 」=Contain all of this defenition and trancsend them.
I guess that enough to give Swirl of the Root td 3.
Yin Yang are 0,1.
"The spiral of Yin and Yang. If you want this to live, you must kill it at once. If you wish to keep this, lose it at once. Blessings and loss are two sides of the same coin. Just like the relationship between a man and a woman."- Assassin Shiki skill description(Yin Yang)
"The coils of Yin and Yang. If you wish to learn this, discard this at once. If you wish to save this, forget this at once. Yearning and regret are two sides of the same coin. Just like life and death. Paradox Spiral"- Saber Shiki skill description(Yin Yang)
"It attempts to capture the essence of everything on a conceptual level: those that are active are defined as Yang (white), and the opposite are defined as Yin (black)."-Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Taiji [Others], p.035
However both of them contain dot of opposite force inside (0 contain dot of 1, 1 contain dot of 0)
"Furthermore, there is a dot of Yin in Yang, and conversely a dot of Yang in Yin. This indicates that the distinction between Yin and Yang is not absolute. There is darkness even in light."-Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Taiji [Others], p.035
So Yin treated as 0, 0+1 and Yang 1, 1+0, (yes 0+1 and 1+0 are different since they still separate and opposite to each other).
Now about Taiji.
Taiji is combine Yin and Yang.
"A philosophy originated in ancient China, a graphical representation of the Yin-Yang theory."
"The Taiji symbolizes opposing concepts such as day and night, light and darkness, male and female. At the same time, you may also call it a condensed version of the ever-changing, dynamic World."-Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Taiji [Others], p.035
However it's also it's own concept that don't follow none of previous states (also here mention "Ryougi" this should be yin and yang)
"Taiji is the "one" at the beginning, the Yin and Yang that divide the "one" are called Liangyi (Ryougi)."-Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Taiji [Others], p.035
"Scathach-Skadi: Unlike my Norse mythology, which viewed the world as born dualistic, other religions often had a defined concept of primordial chaos. Heaven and earth, warm and cold, good and evil, all united harmoniously. Therefore the primordial chaos is a grandmother of the world, which includes all possibilities... The Imaginary Number Space is a space that contains as many possibilities as it. I believe the primordial chaos contains all possibilities for it has everything mixed in it, while Imaginary Numbers contain all possibilities for they are unobservable. Thus, this is the inner side of our world, unobservable territory. A place not even detectable by the currently existing laws of physics. Meaning all possibilities can be hypothesized there."-Imaginary Scramble Chapter 1: Unknowable reef (1/6)
To futher explain this part here taiji definition from Wiki
"In Chinese philosophy, Taiji or Tai chi (simplified Chinese: 太极; traditional Chinese: 太極; pinyin: tàijí; lit. 'great pole') is a cosmological term for the "Supreme Ultimate" state of undifferentiated, absolute, and infinite potential, the oneness before duality, from which Yin and Yang originate. It can be compared with the old Wuji (无极; 無極; 'without ridgepole', meaning 'without limit')."
And "Primordial Chaos" compared to Wuji but that's in "Wuji Part"
Here also Shiki
"This was born of 「 」 and shall one day reach 「 」. Separate the two polarities circling the Four Symbols, and assemble the Eight Trigrams. Her existence is the manifestation of the world's principles. "Ryougi" refers to the yin-yang denoted by the taijitu. Her name comes from the "shiki" of mathematical expression ("suushiki") and the "shiki" of shikigami."-Saber Shiki skill(connection to the root)
And Hounouden Rokujyuyonshou (奉納殿六十四層, The 64 Layers of the Hounou Temple).
The building is a cylindrical ten story building with five rooms on the east and west sides. In order to create this bounded field, he collected 64 families and led them to 64 different types of death, symbolizing the 64 hexagrams. Eventually, this condensed into the eight trigrams, then the four phenomena, then the yin and yang (the Ryougi), creating an entirely new "world" separated from the world outside the bounded field. - chapter 5 kara no kyokai.
That have similarities with taiji I Ching definition.
"I Ching
Taiji also appears in the Xìcí 繫辭 "Appended Judgments" commentary to the I Ching, a late section traditionally attributed to Confucius but more likely dating to about the 3rd century B.C.E.[1]
Therefore there is in the Changes the Great Primal Beginning. This generates the two primary forces. The two primary forces generate the four images. The four images generate the eight trigrams. The eight trigrams determine good fortune and misfortune. Good fortune and misfortune create the great field of action. (tr. Wilhelm and Baynes 1967:318-9)
This sequence of powers of two includes Taiji → Yin-yang (two polarities) → Sixiang (Four Symbols) → Bagua (eight trigrams)."
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Also here mention "taijutu" so i also mention this one.
"Taijitu shuo
Zhou's Taijitu diagram The Song Dynasty philosopher Zhou Dunyi (1017-1073 CE) wrote the Taijitu shuo 太極圖說 "Explanation of the Diagram of the Supreme Ultimate", which became the cornerstone of Neo-Confucianist cosmology. His brief text synthesized aspects of Chinese Buddhism and Daoism with metaphysical discussions in the I ching.
Zhou's key terms Wuji and Taiji appear in the opening line 無極而太極, which Adler notes could also be translated "The Supreme Polarity that is Non-Polar!". Non-polar (wuji) and yet Supreme Polarity (taiji)! The Supreme Polarity in activity generates yang; yet at the limit of activity it is still. In stillness it generates yin; yet at the limit of stillness it is also active. Activity and stillness alternate; each is the basis of the other. In distinguishing yin and yang, the Two Modes are thereby established. The alternation and combination of yang and yin generate water, fire, wood, metal, and earth. With these five [phases of] qi harmoniously arranged, the Four Seasons proceed through them. The Five Phases are simply yin and yang; yin and yang are simply the Supreme Polarity; the Supreme Polarity is fundamentally Non-polar. [Yet] in the generation of the Five Phases, each one has its nature. (tr. Adler 1999:673-4)
Instead of usual Taiji translations "Supreme Ultimate" or "Supreme Pole", Adler uses "Supreme Polarity" (see Robinet 1990) because Zhu Xi describes it as the alternating principle of yin and yang, and ... insists that taiji is not a thing (hence "Supreme Pole" will not do). Thus, for both Zhou and Zhu, taiji is the yin-yang principle of bipolarity, which is the most fundamental ordering principle, the cosmic "first principle." Wuji as "non-polar" follows from this."
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This part would be a little harder since there no straightforward mention about wuji but i try explain as easy as it possible
"primordial chaos"/hundum.
"Scathach-Skadi: Unlike my Norse mythology, which viewed the world as born dualistic, other religions often had a defined concept of primordial chaos. Heaven and earth, warm and cold, good and evil, all united harmoniously. Therefore the primordial chaos is a grandmother of the world, which includes all possibilities... The Imaginary Number Space is a space that contains as many possibilities as it. I believe the primordial chaos contains all possibilities for it has everything mixed in it, while Imaginary Numbers contain all possibilities for they are unobservable. Thus, this is the inner side of our world, unobservable territory. A place not even detectable by the currently existing laws of physics. Meaning all possibilities can be hypothesized there." -imaginary scramble chapter 1 unknowable reef 16
Now after we make that INS=Taiji "primordial chaos" can be familiar with the Concept of Wuji or Hundum.
"In Chinese cosmology there was originally hun-tun, an undifferentiated luminous cloud, a void with no boundary, emptiness, a potential state. The hun-tun is sometimes considered a state of chaos in that is undivided, whole, a state where everything is mixed together. This potential, undifferentiated primordial state is also called Wu Ji. Wu Ji means literally “no limit” or “no polarity.” It is the “One,” "
Since Hundum explained as somehing opposite so probably neitheir yin nor yang and opposite to taiji yet also contain everything so maybe also yin,yang. ying and yang.
Also Root System based on Wuji.
"Infinity is not " ". in order to render infinity, one must define limits. Without limits, infinity does not exist. Infinity can observed because objects possess limits. Ryougi Shiki was immersed in infinity, but found the non-existent limit and severed it
"Of course, limits do not exist within infinity, thus one cannot sever something that does not exist. As a result, escaping from this prison is impossible.
However -- - without limits, infinity does not exist. Regardless if a finite wall existed, an limitless world is meaningless before Ryougi Shiki.
If there is no limit, then it is not infinity, but “ ”. If limits exist, then Rougi would find it and cut away everything."-knk chapter 5
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The purpose is to have the building form a taiji, a graphical representation of the Yin-Yang theory, and with Shiki, another Taiji placed inside the Taiji of the building, Araya would be able to reach the Root.-knk 5th chapter
However while hundum primordial chaos and imaginary number space being opposistion to each other while this Wuji free from that and superior state.
"As stated by law, emptiness is a territory of freedom.
Free from binary opposition, it is the heart that contemplates the world both as it should be and as it is.
The sky is distant, the colors pale.
A noble figure stands on an uncertain boundary, gazing at the whereabouts of the stars."-Shiki bond ce
So yin,yang both yin(that both yin and dot of yang) and yang(that both yang and dot of yin) nethier of this and precede and contain binary opposition(INS and Hundum) that govern them.
Yet even all of that just definition and root apophatic (indescribable) to all this.
「 」 [Others]
If you really wished to pronounce this term, call it "Kara".
Its meaning varied depending on each individual's understanding. To put it in simple terms, it was the Spiral of Origin.
However, since the Spiral of Origin was called the Spiral of Origin, it was no longer []. - Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: 「 」 [Others], p.028-029
"Umm…I heard about it in class. What was it…the Spiral of Origin?”
“Right. The Spiral of Origin, or more simply the Root. Sometimes it’s referred to as「 」, the thing for which there can be no reference. It is the source of everything, the ‘zero’ from which all matter and phenomena flow.(this part can be wuji or definition above that) Ah, but now that I’m trying to put it into words, I’m realizing that’s not a good idea. After all, even the idea of 'zero’ has baggage that makes it unsuitable as a comparison.”(something beyond even that -Lord El-Melloi II Case Files"
So it contain even ideas of this containing everything including logical system so all of this yet indescribable to all this so another state or states.
Summary:
Yin=0 and 0+1.
Yang=1 and 1+0.
"Ryougi"=Both Yin and Yang.
Taiji=All of this and it's own concept that precede them. INS have same description but if no one agree it can be the oneness that precede duality so 0, 1, 0+1, 1+0 the 1 that above all this
Primordial Chaos=Also contain all of them (aside from maybe taiji) yet also opposite to taiji. if INS not taiji and chaos not wuji then It's concept that opposite to Ins oneness
Wuji(Root)=All of this and Nothing of this.
「 」=Contain all of this defenition and trancsend them.
I guess that enough to give Swirl of the Root td 3.
Type 3 (Plurality): Characters that exist in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within the scope of an entire level of reality and qualitatively superior or immune to the effects caused within it. Furthermore, these characters exist beyond the classical states of contradiction-allowing logic on some level of existence. That is to say, for any statement A about them they are in a state that can't be described as A is true, A is false, A is simultanously true and false or A is neither true nor false. And so they must obey a many-valued logic with at least 5 truth states, and not be in any of the 4 combinations of true and false mentioned earlier.
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